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Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by corysama on Sunday January 08, 2023 @02:36AM (#34296959)
I worked in gamedev for 20 years. In retrospect, I could have made a lot more money selling ads for cat pictures. But, enjoyed the chaos of being at the intersection of art, tech, design and commercialization.

My advice to everyone wanting to enter gamedev is the same as for everyone wanting to start a startup: Be realistic about failure. It’s a high risk, high reward business with tons of uncertainty. It’s easy and common to be so enthusiastic about working hard to succeed against impossible odds that failure become a “Voldemort” term that shall not be spoken..

But, if you are realistic about the fact that “risk” includes the possibility of failure, you can be realistic about what failure means and what you plan to do when it occurs. If failure means your family will literally be homeless and starving, don’t take that risk! If it means your dreams don’t come true and you’ll have to go back to some boring desk job… Well that’s a bummer. But, it’s not anything to be afraid of.

Be sure to have enough money in the bank to pay the bills if you suddenly, unexpectedly have no job and need to find another. Be a coworker who people want to work with again because people who leave your company before you are how you land your job at the next company.

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by BruceEel on Sunday January 08, 2023 @06:02AM (#34298067)
Not in gamedev (and not planning to change that), but this is excellent advice applicable to many other domains.
Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by raverbashing on Sunday January 08, 2023 @07:23AM (#34298497)
That is so true

The more I look into Gamedev the more it looks like a very ungrateful and daunting task

You can put all your energy (and money) into a game and it might just... flop

With a startup you can always try to pivot, or make something of what was developed. And your costs with creative productions (which are harder to reuse) are much smaller.

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by GVRV on Sunday January 08, 2023 @08:58AM (#34299124)
That's a good point. How would you go about solving this? Just release minimal playable demos and iterate based on feedback?
Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by steeleduncan on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:08AM (#34299193)
> With a startup you can always try to pivot

You can do this in gamedev as well.

A high budget example would be Fortnite which pivoted to a Battle Royale version of the original, vastly less successful, game. A lower budget example would be Proteus, originally a failed attempt to write an RPG that pivoted into something quite different.

Discord is an example of a game company pivoting from a failed MOBA to a more traditional tech company.

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by xyzzy_plugh on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:25AM (#34299835)
Slack was literally created by a team trying to make a game.
Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by corysama on Sunday January 08, 2023 @12:58PM (#34301344)
As was Flickr.
Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by bcrosby95 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @02:03PM (#34301975)
Discord, too.
Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by cpoile on Sunday January 08, 2023 @06:45PM (#34304707)
As was Mattermost.
Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by rpastuszak on Sunday January 08, 2023 @07:50AM (#34298675)
> Be realistic about failure. It’s a high risk, high reward business with tons of uncertainty

Excellent point to which I’d add: be very critical of how the risk is presented by your potential employer.

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by QIYGT on Sunday January 08, 2023 @08:55AM (#34299107)
> It’s a high risk, high reward business with tons of uncertainty.

What's the high reward side of that for a typical dev? Do you get a percent of the game sales or something?

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by OJFord on Sunday January 08, 2023 @08:59AM (#34299133)
I thought it was infamously overworked and underpaid - because so many are game fans and will put up with it for the thrill of work being games too.

I think GP must mean indie game development, i.e. yes you get 100% of game sales (minus costs and partners' share if applicable of course), which isn't really worth distinguishing from advice for start-ups? That's just a start-up that makes games isn't it?

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by jghn on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:17AM (#34299269)
I interpreted this as the product had a high risk/high reward profile.

Presumably for the developer the reward for the high reward path is continued employment, and the penalty for the high risk path is loss of job

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by corysama on Sunday January 08, 2023 @12:39PM (#34301150)
This is indeed what I meant. I wasn’t clear. Entertainment products in general have a strong Power Law Curve to their relative revenues. Games are expensive to produce and have a high variance on their returns.

So, the rewards for a profitable game for most game employees is that the studio doesn’t shut down! Though I have heard of rare cases where people on a team hit a truly large royalty check from a game they worked on. Usually, the profit from a successful game goes into the war chest to cover the next failure.

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by jmyeet on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:29AM (#34299366)
Lead developers can get a percentage of sales or profits. We’re taking the John Carmacks and Sid Meiers of the world.

It’s about as likely as becoming an L9 IC at a FAANG however.

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by samlu on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:58PM (#34301922)
Profit share? In AAA, yes. In Indie, no. (At least not usually)

High risk as in, most people are "gamers" or love games, unaware that they either hate or are bad at making them, aka wasting about 5 years of their lives learning how to. You really have to love making them, the constant interation will kill you otherwise.

Salary wise, from someone who has worked in Indie and now works in AAA as a Technical Narrative Designer and absolutely loves it, game dev salary is about 60% of a regular UX/UI Designer salary for traditional tech companies. This is the same for Engineers or Programmers. So still a lot, but just not life changing money like some of the salaries in Silicon Valley.

Riot and Valve pay best by far, they're the FAANG equivalent. (Excluding the mobile and web3 market)

Re:Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev? by theshrike79 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @01:28AM (#34321246)
You are usually rewarded with stock options - and if your team makes a game that's very successful, it'll show in the stock price.

Bonuses are also easy to dish out if the studio has a few successful games already operating and bringing in constant revenue.