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Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by malshe on Friday January 06, 2023 @07:38PM (#34283545)
Thanks for this tip! I am trying to build upper body strength and pull-ups kill me
Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by BFLpL0QNek on Friday January 06, 2023 @07:47PM (#34283629)
Bands help. You get the most assistance at the bottom and the assistance decreases as you pull up to your strongest position.
Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by malshe on Friday January 06, 2023 @07:55PM (#34283703)
Thanks
Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by nordsieck on Friday January 06, 2023 @08:01PM (#34283785)
> I am trying to build upper body strength and pull-ups kill me

IMO, the best thing is if you have access to an assisted pull up machine or lat pull down.

Bands can work alright (and they're cheap!), but assisted pull ups and/or lat pull down allow you finely tune your progressive overload. The general problem with bands (and spring type resistance in general) is that the non-linear resistance makes it more difficult to judge your progress.

Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by wnolens on Friday January 06, 2023 @09:13PM (#34284342)
I'd have to disagree. To me a negative is worth more than an assisted rep because you get to practice the real range of motion and activate all muscles (incl. stabilizers).

Assisted forms ultimately "assist" you at some fixed point which alters the path you would take if hanging, often removing your core entirely.

Also, I'd take the non-linear resistance of bands over the absence of core activation from a pull-up machine or the very different lat pulldown motion.

Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by claytongulick on Saturday January 07, 2023 @04:03AM (#34286415)
I'm a big calisthenics nerd, and I agree with this.

For reference, I'm a rounding error away from 50 and I still do advanced bar work - muscle ups, archer pullups, pull overs, etc...

I think it's important to always work with your bodyweight.

80% of strength is neuronal coordination, you'll get strong with the way you train.

Use your bodyweight in closed kinetic chain [1] exercises and avoid the machines unless you're injured or have a specific reason.

There are progressions for every level.

I recommend "Be your own gym" and "Overcoming Gravity" for great references on bodyweight training.

(Also: don't do muscle ups. The only people who like that are sports medicine docs.)

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_kinetic_chain_exercis....

Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by Juicyy on Friday January 06, 2023 @08:14PM (#34283898)
Upper body strength is a lot more than pull ups. To me, pull ups are a back exercise (lats), upperbody is a lot more than that. Chest, delts, traps, tris, bis, forearms. Very different workouts when your prioritize a muscle group. This was my goto for years. https://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/finder/?
Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by tuatoru on Friday January 06, 2023 @10:27PM (#34284826)
> pull-ups kill me

To build volume with pullups, complete your sets with negative pullups as gp describes (nb: at least three seconds down from chin over bar to full hang) when you fail the full pull-up (at least two seconds up, from full hang to chin over bar) any more.[1]

>> I am trying to build upper body strength

1. Keep a diary recording every session. 2. Stay away from the bench press. Focus on your back chain, arms, and grip: deadlifts, pullups (weighted, when you can do a set of 20 body weight), and overhead presses. Add squats and weighted press-ups if you insist. (Make sure you get taught both proper form and proper warm-up sequencing and always use them!)

Observe that these are all exercises that most people hate doing. For good reasons: they are hard work, and nearly all the gain is in your back, which you can't see in the mirror.

1. I used to see a lot of people doing what they claimed were pullups, with only a ten inch range of motion. Not helpful in real life. Start from a full hang: shoulders under hands, arms straight.

Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by brailsafe on Friday January 06, 2023 @11:38PM (#34285250)
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Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by dasil003 on Saturday January 07, 2023 @11:25AM (#34289529)
I wouldn’t focus exclusively on back in isolation. Ideally you want a push/pull combo to keep musculature balanced.

Also, “make sure you get taught proper form” is doing a lot of work here. It can be hard to find someone who really knows their stuff and pays close enough attention to correct subtle mistakes.

Re:Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is al... by joshschreuder on Saturday January 07, 2023 @12:02AM (#34285382)
There's a lot more to upper body strength than just doing pull ups. You can absolutely work up to it in many ways (including negatives as mentioned).

Recommend giving this video a look, and the channel in general. Lots of good vibes and solid advice for working up through a progression without the muscle bro wankery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO3dKSQayfg