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Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:49AM (#34271471)
This is a great idea and I absolutely love it.

The only thing I don't like is the branding. It seems to have some political undertones to it.

I think combining this with a product like crypt pad is a great start towards creating a more independent Google workspace competitor.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by climb_stealth on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:54AM (#34271496)
Where do you pick up political undertones? I'm genuinely curious. I read the whole landing page and it is all lighthearted and friendly, and I pick up on nothing that makes me think otherwise.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by bobsmooth on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:19AM (#34271603)
The example profile includes pronouns.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by patates on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:26AM (#34271631)
I'm so tired of the constant battle to make very simple, innocent ideas political.

Sooo f*ing tired.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:54AM (#34271765)
like it or not but things like pronouns, rainbow themes, gender neutral avatars, even masks are used as political symbols to signify allegiance. It's opt-in (like wearing an arm band) and allows people who partake to identify political allies and adversaries.

Even pointing this out objectively will get somebody steamrolled.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by climb_stealth on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:39AM (#34272002)
Interesting, thanks for clarifying! Looks like I live in an environment where this is not a thing. Or I'm not aware of it. I'm also not in the USfor what it's worth.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:48AM (#34272070)
You don't notice it because as soon as somebody steps out of line they are erased. my root comment has been flagged and nobody else will even see it.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by Kerrick on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:33PM (#34277929)
For what it's worth, I can see it and it's been over 11 hours.

I find it really interesting what people consider political/apolitical these days, even things that weren't before. If somebody says they like to drink orange juice, that's currently an apolitical statement. If somebody else comes out and says that drinking orange juice is a bad thing to do, and gives a political reason for it, the first person suddenly "becomes political" by virtue of enjoying orange juice and talking about it, even though that wasn't political before. Why should the opinions of dissenters have the power to turn someone's otherwise apolitical statement political?

(Now compare that allegory to somebody who said "Since this is the internet and you cannot see me, please know that I'm a he/him" on a BBS in 1985. That was an apolitical statement. But now, saying it on your social media in 2022 it's political? How come?)

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:20PM (#34278683)
it was unflagged sometime last night.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by patates on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:56AM (#34272530)
You are mixing human rights and being decent to others with political opinion. It's not politics because they are what people are. There is also a "Men's rights movement", but it's not political to state that you are male.

Stop playing the victim. You are not being objective, you are just passing on an old, dead narrative.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by tervly on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:59PM (#34280128)
Which human right does abolishing all female-only spaces come under? As that is the end goal of this movement that starts so seemingly innocently with preferred pronouns.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by egeozcan on Saturday January 07, 2023 @09:41AM (#34288356)
If you believe that, you need to take another look what people are actually asking for.

Taking any search for any decency and turning it into "they want to end the world!!" can be done to anything in any part of the political spectrum.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by tervly on Saturday January 07, 2023 @10:43AM (#34289034)
This is what is actually being asked for.

The purpose of preferred pronouns is to legitimize the idea that being a woman or a man is an identity rather than a material fact of existence. It's intended to validate the concept of males being included in the category of women.

So, when female-only spaces are made 'inclusive' by admitting such males (i.e. those who want to be women, or who say they are women) then they are no longer female-only spaces. Eventually, if this continues, they will have been effectively abolished.

See also: https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by egeozcan on Sunday January 08, 2023 @04:25AM (#34297479)
Pronouns are not the only way to identify CIS females. I see no harm for exclusive zones, but it doesn't matter what I think, as that's a separate discussion.

The link you posted, summarized and purified from drug references, says pronouns blur senses for males and females, which I also see no harm for. I, being CIS, also declare my pronouns and many others too, which article plainly denies as such:

> Almost without exception, the people who request, or demand, others talk about them using specific pronouns, are asking for pronouns associated with the opposite sex to their own.

LGBTQIA+ people are just people. Some have an agenda like others, some don't. Some take the identification issues to the political arena, some just... are.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by TheHappyOddish on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:57AM (#34324129)
> There is also a "Men's rights movement", but it's not political to state that you are male.

Absolutely, but there are certain terms used by MRAs that are political. Just as being gay isn't political, but pushing pronouns or wearing rainbows can be.

GP appears to be making a factual statement (these things are often used for allegiance signalling for political groups), whereas you seem to be attacking them personally. You may need to reread the HN rules.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by throw-7462637 on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:58PM (#34278368)
> I'm so tired of the constant battle to make very simple, innocent ideas political.

You may be tired, and I may get downvoted, but this is oversimplifying the problem so much that the message itself seems political. First, identifying pronouns is not really opt-in. There is significant peer pressure, and once you're the lone holdout, it's very hard to keep yourself pronoun-less without becoming a social outcast and targeted as a bigot.

I am 100% behind equal rights for trans people, and will call anyone by their preferred pronoun (he or she, on the fence on they, and would probably not go into the neo-pronouns). That said, my wish is that the default mode to address someone is based on observed external sex characteristics, and where people whose external sex characteristics match their traditional pronouns do not communicate their pronouns. My reasons are that at a young age, kids are extremely easy to influence, and I have a strong feeling that many kids identify as another sex to mask other underlying issues. For similar contrarian perspective see the book Irreversible Damage and also Blair White's youtube channel.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:35AM (#34271678)
It's more than that, it's the entire theme. It screams "you're not welcome here."

It's the left wing equivalent of putting up a bunch of burning crosses and pretending they don't mean anything.

I know exactly how fairly I would be treated in that community and it looks like this: (the flagged and dead comment below this)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34271510

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by arlort on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:58AM (#34271785)
I'm genuinely curious and wanting to understand what makes you feel that way.

Are you colorblind and the colors of the text are hard to read? They weren't very readable on light mode but I wouldn't call that political

Is it the mastodon instance? The overall peppy feel of the page?

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by JasonFruit on Friday January 06, 2023 @10:21AM (#34275599)
If you're not colorblind, you may notice the rainbow progression of navlinks under the title. Then there's the choice to include pronouns as a special data item in the markdown, and the specific choice of "they/them" in the example, even though that's probably much rarer than the two more traditionally-expected choices. Then, of course, there's the affiliation with a Mastodon instance; we're all aware of the developer's politically-motivated choices and limits on federation with the main Mastodon instances.

Is "burning crosses" over-the-top? Yes, obviously. Does it say, "You're not the kind of social we have in mind," to a sizable portion of potential users? Yes again.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by emsixteen on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:22AM (#34271894)
You're so hard done by.

It's nice, playful, and youthful branding.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:26AM (#34271917)
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by emsixteen on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:45AM (#34272041)
Odd that you reply to me with a bitterly ironic link, yet not to the other commenter. Have a nice day, you need it.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:51AM (#34272092)
The other comment was not posted in good faith.

it's bait

by the way, I posted that link sincerely.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by veratwiger on Friday January 06, 2023 @11:36AM (#34276889)
It screams "everyone is welcome here."
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by hardnose on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:02PM (#34277355)
"...as long as you agree with us about everything"
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by veratwiger on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:08PM (#34277472)
As long as you agree not to shit on other people's identities, which should be a given.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by tervly on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:49PM (#34279970)
What if it's a false identity?
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by JasonFruit on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:14PM (#34281181)
> agree not to shit on other people's identities

I believe you mean, "agree with me on gender and sexuality". When you take away the tendentious wording, it's a lot less clear that it "should be a given."

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by TheHappyOddish on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @08:01AM (#34324158)
"Peoples identities" is a relatively new concept, and certainly still a political topic. Do you really not see the political undertones?
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by bobbylarrybobby on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:56AM (#34271775)
What is political about an additional axis along which some people choose to make known how they'd like to be referred to? I'm genuinely asking. I don't believe things become political when they happen to be split down party lines in <current country> -- if that were the case then climate change is political now, but climate change is as debatable as, say, the existence of subatomic particles. IMO something is political when it actually relates to what politicians do, i.e., it's something you can vote for. You can't vote for... a ban on using pronouns that don't match birth sex? A ban on sharing pronouns at all?
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by rsynnott on Monday January 09, 2023 @06:40AM (#34309255)
Probably also has birthday and an option for an avatar and various other personal attributes; what of it?
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by crabbycarrot on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:40AM (#34271711)
This says more about you than the branding.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:59AM (#34272143)
It's hard to notice anything these days without getting in trouble.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by stkdump on Friday January 06, 2023 @07:21AM (#34273898)
How are you in trouble?
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by seti0Cha on Friday January 06, 2023 @11:59AM (#34277298)
"says something about you" is a warning shot for a potential shaming campaign. The expected reaction is for the warned party to backpedal to avoid having their defects loudly discussed. You can see it play out in other responses, wherein terms like "decent people" and "old, dead narrative" are deployed. In other words, trouble in the same sense that those subjected to "microaggressions" have trouble.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by stkdump on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:27PM (#34277800)
What you are doing is interpreting everything as you like, not as it is meant. You paint yourself as the victim when this all started with your baseless accusations. If you don't like people reacting to your accusations, you should not use a public forum.
Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by gnarbarian on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:56PM (#34279171)
This whole struggle session thread is a perfect example of how progressive values are enforced and advanced.

Acknowledging the existence of obvious branding or political affiliation means subjecting yourself to an inquisition where 30 people take turns trying to pigeonhole you as a bigot.

again the message is clear "you're not welcome"

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by seti0Cha on Friday January 06, 2023 @05:52PM (#34282510)
Classic response. Gaslight on the connotations, random accusation of assuming victim status (a sacred cow to the progressive), and the much loved "maybe you shouldn't express your opinions if you don't like our behavior"

As it happens, though, I don't see myself as a victim. I don't mind in the least people reacting to my opinions. But I also feel perfectly comfortable pointing out the nature of the reaction, which is generally not to engage with content but to turn it into a question of character. Which you have done.

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Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by Kerrick on Friday January 06, 2023 @12:29PM (#34277849)
I hadn't heard of Transhumansim before so I looked it up. Wikipedia says:

> Transhumanism is a philosophical and intellectual movement which advocates the enhancement of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies that can greatly enhance longevity and cognition.

Is that the word you meant to use? It doesn't seem to fit with the rest of your list/comment.

Re:Omg.lol – A lovable web page and email address, just for you by camdenlock on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:08PM (#34279331)
I mean it in the sense of rejecting the “constraints” of our nature and seeking to move beyond them as far as possible.