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Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by gwbas1c on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:13AM (#34260705)
> The idea that Autopilot has some magic sauce that nobody else can replicate is laughable.

Apparently GM's Supercruise is better, and cheaper.

I got enhanced autopilot in my first Tesla. Except for changing lanes, things like summon and autopark are just toys. The auto lane chance is so glitchy I decided I was better off saving seven grand on my second Tesla.

But if Enhanced Autopilot was 1-2 grand, I'd have bought it without regrets.

Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by stoddur on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:28AM (#34260986)
Wait what, SuperCruise better then AP? Any sources?
Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by gwbas1c on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:55AM (#34261540)
Well, that's highly subjective based on reviewer.

But, in general, Supercruise is hands-free and doesn't require jiggling the steering wheel every 30 seconds.

From what I understand, Supercruise is a lot more limited in where it'll work, compared to Autopilot.

But, EV market options are so limited that the differences really don't matter, unless that kind of functionality is top on your list. In my case, I bought a second Tesla because of the charging network, and because I needed a 3rd row.

Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by nradov on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:08AM (#34261860)
Independent reviews indicate that GM SuperCruise is superior to Tesla AutoPilot in most areas, but Tesla does still have some features that GM lacks.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/21/test-driving-gm-ford-and-tes...

Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by firmnoodle on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:28AM (#34262234)
It's really a different approach that will yield different outcomes and experiences. Super Cruise works on "pre-mapped divided highways". That suggests it's more like hard coding most of the environment and working with HD-maps. While I don't know what Tesla Autopilot does, Tesla FSD is designed to drive with interpolation of the current input. It's a much harder problem for Tesla to solve but the results mean that it can deal with changes and unusual situations without something like massive case statements pre coding those exceptions.
Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by FpUser on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:23AM (#34260900)
>"I was better off saving seven grand"

Seven grand for a software update sounds like a ripoff. Especially just for lane change.

Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by darknavi on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:12PM (#34263001)
Wait until you learn that "Full Self Driving" is $15,000USD right now.
Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by FpUser on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:52PM (#34265537)
If it was real, and legally letting one sleep at the wheel someone might pay for it. As it is now - meh. They can have their soft and I'll keep my 15G
Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by mikeryan on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:39AM (#34262451)
This keeps coming up and I'm wondering what's Waymo's goal? Is it to be licensed self-driving product?

If that's the case and any manufacturer could just license Waymo's tech I'd think that relying on Telsa to win at autopilot is suspect.

Re:Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm by hnburnsy on Thursday January 05, 2023 @01:54PM (#34264619)
GM’s Autonomous Cruise Program Facing NHTSA Investigation

https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a42268159/general-m...