News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by AlexThrowAway on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:56PM (#34256147)
It's not grand strategy. Musk was forced to buy an unprofitable ad supported business for ten times it's fair value, during an advertising recession, all because of him choosing to not treat his severe bipolar disorder and having a manic episode. Poor guy.

Now that he's potentially not manic at the moment (possibly, I'm not his doctor) he realizes that he's not going to put an additional cent into it because the business can't be saved.

His reputation has been completely destroyed. The SEC will ban him from ever serving as an officer or on the board of ANY public company before this is over. But over the last four years he's also pulled back the veil on his other much less sympathetic mental health diagnosis, antisocial personality disorder.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by KVFinn on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:21AM (#34256331)
>It's not grand strategy. Musk was forced to buy an unprofitable ad supported business for ten times it's fair value, during an advertising recession, all because of him choosing to not treat his severe bipolar disorder and having a manic episode. Poor guy.

>Now that he's potentially not manic at the moment (possibly, I'm not his doctor) he realizes that he's not going to put an additional cent into it because the business can't be saved.

Frankly I'm still confused how his lawyers wrote the deal to buy Twitter the way he wanted to. He basically made it impossible for himself to back out, or even to have time to do due diligence. Why? The only thing I can guess is he was absolutely sure they would refuse the deal and would give some other concession, like a bigger board seat? Even so why didn't his own lawyers stop him?

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by AlexThrowAway on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:26AM (#34256362)
>Frankly I'm still confused how his lawyers wrote the deal to buy Twitter the way he wanted to.

The client is an arsehole and refuses to listen to counsel.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by KVFinn on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:39AM (#34256463)
>The client is an arsehole.

But it's not like Elon is writing the legal wording on the offer itself, and it was terrible in a specifically legal way. You would almost have to tell your lawyer: "Write me an offer to buy Twitter. But I don't want the standard boring offer other people use. Be sure to go out of your way and waive standard protections. Just burn the bridge behind me so I'm totally stuck here if things go sideways."

And then weeks later he's on podcasts complaining that there's too many bots on Twitter and it's not fair the bridge is burnt. Dude, you went out of your way to do that.

At the time he must have thought it showed strength somehow? I'm so rich I don't need that stuff?

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by zxcvbn4038 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:16AM (#34256297)
Agreed, Elon was probably just looking for some attention, thought it would be fun to watch people run around for a week, and instead painted himself into a corner where he was forced to buy Twitter. What I wonder about are all the financiers that went in with him on the deal. It’s their money he is throwing away with his shenanigans, you think they would be a lot more vocal and upset.
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by metadat on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:10AM (#34256249)
> Musk was forced to buy an unprofitable ad supported business for ten times it's fair value

.. Who forced him to make the offer? Or do you believe the offer was made in bad faith?

Come now, he was only forced to follow through on the deal he solicited at the original terms he agreed to.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by cokeandpepsi on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:16AM (#34256299)
He bought twitter and attempted a refund
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by rhaway84773 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:12AM (#34256270)
He wasn’t forced to buy anything.

He bought Twitter. And then he didn’t like what happened to it while the deal was being closed and tried to back out of the sale.

It’s like buying a product, signing a contract waiving off any return period, then insisting you want to return it even though it’s working exactly as it was supposed to.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by borski on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:28AM (#34256385)
I don’t think forced was used negatively here. He was, in fact, forced to buy Twitter insofar as he was forced to complete the deal he so desperately wanted to get out of, by Twitter and the courts.
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by KVFinn on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:50AM (#34256535)
>He wasn’t forced to buy anything. >He bought Twitter. And then he didn’t like what happened to it while the deal was being closed and tried to back out of the sale.

>It’s like buying a product, signing a contract waiving off any return period, then insisting you want to return it even though it’s working exactly as it was supposed to.

Actually still undersells it a bit.

It's like buying a product, refusing to sign the standard contract a typical customer signs, having your lawyer create a custom contract that waives the return period, then complaining about not being able to return it.

Bewildering honestly. Like he must have thought that Twitter would use that clause in some way against him or something?

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by aplummer on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:04AM (#34256205)
It’s “unprofitable” losing a few hundred million with a billion a year in r&d. call me naive but not that much changes on Twitter there’s not research to leave on the table. The kind of thing you can turn around with 20% (deep but normal) cost cutting.

Now that they have loans to pay and far less revenue? A much worse situation.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by g42gregory on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:21AM (#34256332)
> His reputation has been completely destroyed.

I take it you mean "...with you." I, for one, find more and more respect for him. Somebody has to protect the free speech. What he did was very courageous and very difficult (I mean purchasing of Twitter, not the layoffs, obviously). Just look at the amount of vitriol that has been thrown at him for daring to stand for the free speech.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by gorgoiler on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:41AM (#34256477)
* * *
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by xkqd on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:37AM (#34256453)
While I agree the notion is noble, I believe it’s simpler to assume he incorrectly saw value in owning the town hall, and allowed his own hubris to suppress any of his own doubts.

I genuinely don’t believe this was originally about free speech. I think he noted that as a compelling argument for owning the cheapest social media network.

If this was truly about free speech, I’d imagine there’s more effective ways of doing so. He could have funded journalism programs. He could have been established decentralized communication platforms that can’t be tampered with. None of those require betting the farm, and all of those directly promote free dialogue.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by dkersten on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:29AM (#34256394)
Where exactly is he protecting free speech? He’s banned people for saying things that hurt his ego.
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by crummy on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:01AM (#34256907)
What do you think Twitter's stance on free speech is now vs before?
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by g42gregory on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:20AM (#34257019)
I think it's much better now. It's not a "free speech absolutist" place, nor should it be. Elon Musk never subscribed to this, as far as I could recall. It's basically rejecting things that are illegal and that are very offensive. "Very offensive" is subjective, of course, but if you move the line far enough, it becomes less of an issue. There are occasional things that fall outside of this category (aptly described in this thread), but, on the balance, it is nothing like a censorship that it was before.
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by dboreham on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:33AM (#34256427)
"forced"?
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by croes on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:19AM (#34256320)
>his severe bipolar disorder

How do you know?

[dead]
Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by starfallg on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:12AM (#34256269)
>consistently right wing and labor busting and chauvinist.

Well, the parent implied these are symptoms of his ASPD and Bi-Polar diagnosis.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by philwelch on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:07AM (#34256231)
By publicly diagnosing a public figure you’ve never met of mental illnesses, you’ve demonstrated one of two things. Either you’re not a mental health professional and are completely unqualified to be making these ridiculous claims, or you are, and are thus publicly violating one of the central ethical rules of your profession.

(Edit: The third and least likely option is that you are a mental health professional who has evaluated Elon Musk, in which case I believe you are violating federal law.)

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by AlexThrowAway on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:32AM (#34256420)
Come on man, he mentioned the bipolar himself in multiple recorded interviews. It's a matter of public record.

Mania doesn't make you abuse your workforces at multiple companies over a period of decades, lie about holding your son that died from SIDS when you actually weren't home, or dump half a dozen spouses when you get bored with them. That's not having empathy. This man does not have empathy.

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by KVFinn on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:57AM (#34256601)
>Come on man, he mentioned the bipolar himself in multiple recorded interviews. It's a matter of public record.

Huh. Looks like just one, but still, I didn't know this.

Random Person: "Elon are you bipolar?"

Elon: "Yeah"

Elon: "Maybe not medically tho. Dunno. Bad feelings correlate to bad events, so maybe real problem is getting carried away in what I sign up for."

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/891713104786083841

Re:I was laid off 2 months agoand I’ve never even seen a sev... by philwelch on Thursday January 05, 2023 @01:11AM (#34256669)
> Come on man, he mentioned the bipolar himself in multiple recorded interviews. It's a matter of public record.

Maybe, maybe not, but that’s not the only mental illness you’ve “diagnosed” him with. So explain to me whether you’re making diagnoses without any relevant qualification or whether you’re violating the ethical rules of your profession on Hacker News for clout.