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Re:My YouTube Earnings by jesuscript on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:42AM (#34229289)
I immediately noticed a dark dynamic based on the analytics. Lucky for OP, they are making Lego videos. However, if you are in the business of selling your opinion or sexuality, and you start to see that people click on certain hot takes or less-clothes on, you will start to morph to cater to that traffic. I wonder how this destroys a person (the greed).

Totally taking the convo in the darker direction, but you can see this dynamic in play with Rogan‘s podcast. He’s a liberal, but those hot button right wing takes are probably what brings in the clicks. Every trans critique he makes caters to that traffic, so he milks that audience often.

What does one become when you effectively sell out to the analytics?

Your thoughts and perspective are no longer driven by your convictions or experience, but by this shit.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by ffmpegy on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:36AM (#34229601)
Performing artists have for centuries had to balance catering for popular opinion and tastes versus a more faithful realisation of their vision in order to make a living. I don't see a difference with this at all.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by Nevermark on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @07:16AM (#34230525)
For online creators, I think the high speed and frequency of material creation, release, consumption and feedback, coupled with vast potential audiences, global competition for the nichiest of niches, the ease of copying ideas, and the extremely high rewards and margins for the winners, … is unlike anything that ever came before.

These are many large quantitative changes, that are going to have qualitative implications.

For instance, given the small scale of each offering, post, etc., most creators won’t have developed deeply held individual visions to be compromised with a focus on adapting

Re:My YouTube Earnings by johannes1234321 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @07:56AM (#34230776)
Especially as due to lower cycles you typically created larger units of work: Not just a song, but an album. Not just a poem but a book. So you could do the popular part and also the thing you care about and somehow tie them together.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by amake on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:04AM (#34229427)
> He’s a liberal

Is he?

Re:My YouTube Earnings by a4a4a4a4 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:30AM (#34229560)
"Liberal" in the US used to mean (and still does outside the US) someone with a "live and let live" mentality, where things/actions are generally allowed unless there is a very good reason for restricting them. "Classically liberal" is a better match for the term in modern US English. So things like decriminalizing drugs, allowing gay marriage, being pro-gun/self-defense as a human right, privacy as a human right, etc, all fall under "classically liberal". It might help to read the word "liberal" in a philosophical sense, where it means "liberally applying the idea of freedom for everyone, only restricting that freedom where absolutely necessary, where one persons freedom begins to infringe on the liberty of others".
Re:My YouTube Earnings by Uehreka on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:55AM (#34229711)
Joe Rogan is an American commenting almost exclusively in the American political context. Referring to him as a liberal in this context is misleading, as the term here is almost exclusively understood to mean “center-left relative to American politics” and is almost never used in the economic or philosophical sense in mainstream political commentary.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by a4a4a4a4 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:00AM (#34229742)
I'm aware of who he is, and the context of "liberal" when referring to him and his views. I'm offering an explanation as to why someone might describe him as "liberal", because if anyone outside the US listened to his viewpoints they would describe him as "liberal". I'd be willing to bet that the original commenter is not American, and that's why they chose "liberal", not to be misleading, but because literally the entire rest of the world uses the word differently.

"USA: the primary use of the term liberal is at some variance with European and worldwide usage. In the United States today, it is most associated with the definition of modern liberalism, which is a combination of social liberalism, public welfare and a mixed economy,[12] which is in contrast to classical liberalism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_parties_by_country#The...

Re:My YouTube Earnings by richrichardsson on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:24AM (#34229861)
> because literally the entire rest of the world uses the word differently

This assumed cultural hegemony by some US citizens is frustrating as hell; they are incredibly quick to assume (or demand even) the rest of the world knows their cultural references/idioms/etc., yet make zero effort to discover what the rest of the world is doing. Unfortunately they are also loud and so it's easy to come to the false conclusion all US citizens are like that.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by ljf on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:34AM (#34229910)
I'm a Brit, I would no think of Joe as a liberal, and I only read this thread as I was so shocked to hear he might be a left leaning commentator. Obviously reading this, he is not.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by richrichardsson on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:44AM (#34229961)
I'm also a Brit, and to be honest, the term "liberal" in a political context has lost all meaning for me since everyone seems to have their own definition of what it actually entails.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by jjgreen on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:51AM (#34232980)
I blame Jeremy Thorpe
Re:My YouTube Earnings by minton on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:02AM (#34233141)
This seems to be the case for a lot of words these days.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by Veen on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @07:03AM (#34230437)
That exemplifies the cultural hegemony. In the UK, liberals historically stood for laissez-faire economics and minimal government intervention (among other things). Before the rise of the Labour Party, the main second party in the UK was the Liberal Party, which supported laissez-faire capitalism, in contrast to the Tories of the day, who tended to oppose free market capitalism and support paternalistic social and economic programs that benefited the nation as a whole, not just the rich (obviously that's changed—classic liberals now dominate the Tory Party). Lots of people still use liberal in this way (classically liberal), but the meaning has gradually changed under the influence of the US, so many people are unaware that liberal could mean anything but vaguely left-leaning and progressive.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by tsimionescu on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:05AM (#34229768)
People usually call Rogan liberal because he occasionally showed(s?) some sympathy for the US left - like him inviting Bernie Sanders on during his primary campaign. I think this is far more likely than applying a non-US definition of liberalism to him - especially since many right-wingers the GGP is referring to are also liberal based on this other definition.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by skinnymuch on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:43AM (#34257109)
Yeah because many GOP members are liberals. The entire world has a definition for a word. Following that definition which has been the definition for many many years makes sense.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by lynx23 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:33AM (#34229904)
> only restricting that freedom where absolutely necessary

I used to believe this as well. I was thaught a lesson... In fact, now I understand that liberals, when given the power, will corrupt into totalitarism in a few months.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by a4a4a4a4 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:55AM (#34230015)
Agreed with you on "modern liberalism" devolving into totalitarianism. "Classical liberalism" doesn't allow for that though. In practice, I don't think anyone in the US follows the latter strictly enough for prevent the same decay anyway though.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by overrun11 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:40AM (#34233782)
You might find "Why Liberalism Failed" by Patrick Deneen interesting if you haven't read it already. He argues that modern liberalism is the inevitable successor to classical liberalism.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by webmobdev on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:22AM (#34230193)
Can you give some examples of that because I didn't get your point?
Re:My YouTube Earnings by majani on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:52AM (#34231276)
For example outright confiscation of wealth above $100m is quite a popular sentiment amongst liberals right now
Re:My YouTube Earnings by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @09:14AM (#34231528)
The original claim was:

> liberals, when given the power, will corrupt into totalitarism in a few months.

Is your complaint an actual example of that? I've never actually heard the argument - I've heard "billionaires should not exist", but never "we should have a 100% tax on those making more than $100m", so I don't know if the claim you're making is as popular as you're making it out to be, nor do I believe is it an example of totalitarianism.

I also don't see actual examples of liberal governments doing that. People say lots of crazy stuff online, but "liberals say the darndest thing" is not the claim here.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by overrun11 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:46AM (#34233892)
> nor do I believe is it an example of totalitarianism

These conversations never go anywhere. The battlelines are already drawn. It just becomes a semantic debate around loosely defined terms like totalitarianism.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:21PM (#34234449)
Yeah, fair enough. It's become synonymous with "something I don't like".
Re:My YouTube Earnings by Eisenstein on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:29AM (#34231028)
What made you understand that?
Re:My YouTube Earnings by lynx23 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @01:05AM (#34321104)
Corona and the way how the left/right have handled it. Before corona, I used to vote leftish. Now, I no longer vote.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by majani on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @07:39AM (#34230663)
Liberal = social freedoms + economic restrictions

Republican = social restrictions + economic freedoms

Re:My YouTube Earnings by a4a4a4a4 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:34AM (#34231081)
... in the US.

"Classical liberalism, contrary to liberal branches like social liberalism, looks more negatively on social policies, taxation and the state involvement in the lives of individuals, and it advocates deregulation.[10] Until the Great Depression and the rise of social liberalism, it was used under the name of economic liberalism. As a term, classical liberalism was applied in retronym to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from social liberalism.[11] By modern standards, in the United States, simple liberalism often means social liberalism, but in Europe and Australia, simple liberalism often means classical liberalism.[12][13]

...

In the United States, classical liberalism may be described as "fiscally conservative" and "socially liberal". Despite this context, classical liberalism rejects conservatism's higher tolerance for protectionism and social liberalism's inclination for collective group rights, due to classical liberalism's central principle of individualism.[14] Classical liberalism is also considered closely tied with right-libertarianism in the United States.[15] In Europe, liberalism, whether social (especially radical) or conservative, is classical liberalism in itself, so the term classical liberalism mainly refers to centre-right economic liberalism.[16]

"

"Liberal" in the US -> some social freedoms, but restricted in certain ways + economic restrictions.

"Liberal" outside the US -> social freedoms + economic freedoms.

I learned this as an American abroad when someone called me, who would generally be seen as conservative / libertarian in the US, "very liberal" when discussing gay rights (pro), gun rights / armed self-defense (pro), and abortion rights (pro-choice).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Re:My YouTube Earnings by lsaferite on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @12:15PM (#34248397)
> me, who would generally be seen as conservative / libertarian in the US, "very liberal" when discussing gay rights (pro), gun rights / armed self-defense (pro), and abortion rights (pro-choice)

Supporting gay rights and being pro-choice is seen as conservative??

Re:My YouTube Earnings by a4a4a4a4 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:02AM (#34257587)
It's usually the gun rights that makes people immediate label me as conservative, regardless of other views I have.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by markdestouches on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:37AM (#34229605)
These tags are useless and have always been.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by texasbigdata on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:41AM (#34229947)
He’s had (guessing, including multi guest, and the mma pieces) close to 2,000 guests, and probably has spoken about trans a maximum of 5 times? Call it 1%. That’s probably at (or maybe below) main stream medias coverage of the topic but that’s a wild guess.

It’s probably either: how he speaks, his takes in general, how others view him, how others reamplify him, or something else, but I really doubt he’s beating the drum on transgender rights since he’s he seems to in favor of all socially liberal topics in general.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by thatguy0900 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:31AM (#34230247)
I went to one of his stand-up shows last year. Both him and the guys he had opening all had maybe 30% trans jokes. He's definetely catering to an antitrans crowd these days
Re:My YouTube Earnings by pcblues on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @01:13PM (#34235318)
I wonder how many in the crowd are reacting to being labelled antitrans and transphobic unfairly. It's definitely what I see the comedians reacting to.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by thatguy0900 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @01:21PM (#34235462)
Definitely some of that. I think a person should have the right to do whatever they want with themselves, and it's not mine or the states business. I'm sure others in the crowd felt the same way. I can see why people would have issues with the routine he put on though, it was certainly not a kind one, and saying he just has a few instances of bringing up trans issues seems like a outright lie.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by cableshaft on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:49AM (#34231247)
I don't watch Rogan a whole lot nowadays (used to regularly before the Spotify purchase), but back when I did he spoke about Trans people (especially atheletes) way more than 5 times. It wasn't constantly, though, although it did seem like he wormed it in a few times where it wasn't really called for (to be fair he does that for several of his interests, hence the "Have you ever tried DMT?" meme[1]). And that was before he started bringing more alt-right guests on the show.

To me it was clear he had an axe to grind in regards to the subject, though, and took out that axe out semi-regularly.

[1]: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thats-crazy-man-have-you-ever...

Re:My YouTube Earnings by jesuscript on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @09:30AM (#34231730)
Yeah, it’s way more than 5. I’m fan of his, and I’ve listened to everything.
Re:My YouTube Earnings by hunfell on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:12AM (#34230895)
His trans critiques are very reasonable though, particularly when he talks about males in women's sports, males in women's prisons, and the social contagion aspect of this type of identity.

These are the questions that cut across the entire political spectrum, as there are plenty on the left questioning the excesses of this activist movement too.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by jesuscript on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:28AM (#34233573)
Depends.

I agree they are reasonable, but it’s kind of like a cock tease dog whistle (maybe a less crude way to put it is a feint dog whistle).

If you take a Kanye, and he says ‘I love Hitler’, that’s a blow horn. But if you say, ‘There are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, and look at all that stuff that’s going on in Palestine’, now we’re angling. Everything you are saying is reasonable, but you are reconnoitering around the rim of a specific demographic.

I guess the question is, is this subtle play going past you, or are you letting it get a pass?

He’s keeping one foot in the ring because it’s a pragmatic way of acknowledging the existence of those viewpoints.

I’m not saying black people commit a lot of crime, but look at this shoplifting video. Proceeds to show black people looting. We need to do something about crime.

There are ways to hold that audience without being an outright demagogue.

I like Rogan, but this manipulation in the interest of holding that broader audience smells a little. Integrity is the word I guess.

Re:My YouTube Earnings by DwnVoteHoneyPot on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:40AM (#34233802)
> What does one become when you effectively sell out to the analytics?

We know what happens... you get Mr. Beast. He's known for hyper optimizing the metrics. Watch one of his interviews. His Joe Rogan interview was an eye opener.