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Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by wahnfrieden on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:03PM (#34227511)
it would be cool for billionaires to collude against you personally to suppress your wages in the market?

talk about "star struck" bootlicking... this is wage theft culture. that it reached exec attention shows how much money was left on the table for these workers, not how much their work mattered to their owners.

jobs didn't want to avoid losing people he appreciated, he wanted to avoid paying them what they're worth. nuance!

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by jjulius on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:21PM (#34227627)
I mean, it can be both cool that I'm talented enough to have those two people fight over me, and also suck that my wages might get impacted.

Ain't nuance neat? :)

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by eyelidlessness on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:55PM (#34227842)
Here’s some nuance: anyone so talented they warrant legal action over a fight to employ them already knows they’re very talented. Being their stakes in a war over strategic business goals isn’t more affirming, it’s almost certainly less. It’s (almost invariably) not cool to be someone else’s meat. Even if you know you’re very highly valued meat, and even if they affirm that your value as meat is very high indeed.
Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by shadowgovt on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:13AM (#34227967)
I'm sure they can comfort themselves on the quarter to half a million annual they were being paid instead of the half a million to three quarters of a million a zero collusion market would have offered them. ;)
Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by eyelidlessness on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:17AM (#34229116)
“Got table scraps; good table scraps, could’ve been better mind you, not especially great; enriched a few.” There, I think I know what to put in my will as how I will wish to be remembered.
Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by jjulius on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:35AM (#34229233)
>“Got table scraps; good table scraps, could’ve been better mind you, not especially great; enriched a few.” There, I think I know what to put in my will as how I will wish to be remembered.

I realize we are on a forum/platform that is home to a disproportionately high number of wealthier individuals, but are you actually suggesting that $250 million annually is "table scraps"?

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by shadowgovt on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:49AM (#34233939)
$250,000 annually.

... which still isn't table scraps. median income in the US is $30k.

I am a software engineer, but even I have a hard time finding deep sympathy for people complaining that they are making 10x the median salary but they should have made 20x.

Call me old-fashioned, but at the end of the day in our industry, what's "fair" is what you agreed to. None of the people in the cold-calling scandal were forbidden from making overtures to the competing companies or being hired by them. And it's real hard for me to dredge up feelings of injustice for the embarrassed sub-millionaire when so many are forced to figure out how to live on 1/10th of that money.

If you don't like your Google salary, just put your resume in at Apple. That's my advice.

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by jjulius on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:01PM (#34234151)
>$250,000 annually.

Ah crap, that's what I get for posting in the middle of the night while wide awake and sick. Thanks for the correction, and agreed - the difference between $250 million and $250k doesn't change my point.

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by jjulius on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @02:30AM (#34228836)
>Here’s some nuance: anyone so talented they warrant legal action over a fight to employ them already knows they’re very talented. Being their stakes in a war over strategic business goals isn’t more affirming, it’s almost certainly less.

Yep! Hence why I started my post with "can be", not "is" or "was". We'd have to actually ask whoever "[REDACTED]" is to know how they felt. FWIW, the 28 upvotes my comment received would anecdotally suggest that there are many others who feel a bit differently than you there.

>It’s (almost invariably) not cool to be someone else’s meat. Even if you know you’re very highly valued meat, and even if they affirm that your value as meat is very high indeed.

Also yep! That sentiment should've been implied by the last part of my sentence in that comment. If that wasn't clear, then it is now.

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by dylan604 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:03AM (#34227895)
Especially, if you can then use the paper trail of that fight in evidence in your lawsuit to obtain even more money from these two asshats.
Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by kortilla on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:30PM (#34227683)
Whooooosh.

The whole point is that you’re even worth the attention of attempted wage suppression by two high level execs.

It has nothing to do with fawning over execs.

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by eyelidlessness on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:00AM (#34227874)
It’s an honor to be suppressed by C-levels in two giant corporations! It isn’t fawning over the people who systematically deny me seeking value for my talent, I’m privileged to have both of them fuck me simultaneously!
Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by kortilla on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @02:39AM (#34228887)
You’re still missing the forest for the trees. It’s unrealistic for execs in companies that size to even take a cursory review of why each individual person left the company (and they would be incompetently wasting their time if they did).

Anything that involves the attention enough to warrant actual emails makes that employee extraordinary. This is the same whether the outcome is negative or positive.

Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by eyelidlessness on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:31AM (#34229204)
The forest was encapsulated in “it’s an honor”, my fellow serf.
Re:Sergey Brin: “Irate Call from Steve Jobs” by ramraj07 on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:05PM (#34227526)
I’m sure that redacted employee made bank but I doubt they truly got compensated for the value they created for these obscene companies , in part due to these bs negotiations.