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Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by dsco on Monday January 02, 2023 @09:58AM (#34218538)
How would you incentivize nodes long-term without a reward/token system?
Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by croes on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:14AM (#34218723)
That's more cryptocurrency than blockchain.

Blockchain as such has nothing to do with the costs of a node and incentives to run one

Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by aliqot on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:07AM (#34219452)
"That's just the nose, see the nose can exist discretely without the finger to pick it."
Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by wongarsu on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:08AM (#34219468)
Bittorrent basically runs on social norms, and people's willingness to help their community. Or people go to private trackers, where contributing is a requirement for being in the community and having access to its resources.

Blockchains are built under the assumption that everyone is selfish and untrustworthy. Which is a decent assumption when building a crypto currency, but that doesn't mean that every system has to run like that.

Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by hazebooth on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:52PM (#34221090)
As much as I like private trackers, very few use the ratio-less model to protect against serial leechers.

Typically on a tracker you’re given a currency (although not as sound as some e-coins) and can use that to influence your upload or download statistics, which in turn affect your ratio. Some trackers might employ rules where your user class has to have a certain ratio, or else you’ll lose privileges like certain forums or even the ability to download at all. (The trackers are private and can control which peers you can see)

Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by vintermann on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:16AM (#34219580)
That's a different question. But BitTorrent does fine with simple tit-for-tat rules, no tranferable tokens required.
Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by britneybitch on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:16AM (#34219583)
A token system can incentivize cooperation in a hostile environment with selfish nodes. But in a friendly environment you might not need the same level of incentives.

I see some similarity here to the world of private torrent trackers. You want a Linux ISO, I want a Linux ISO, we're all working towards the same goal. So we're already incentivized to cooperate, without getting money involved. And trackers also have things like minimum seeding ratios to keep people honest. In the case of AI, you and I both want to generate images, so we're also working towards the same goal, so let's help each other out so both of our workloads finish faster. Maybe idealistic, but I think it could work.

Re:Petals: Run 100B+ language models at home bit-torrent style by CodexArcana on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:38AM (#34219919)
In the heyday of BitTorrent sharing was the incentive, and still is I imagine. We don't need to financialize everything.