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Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by Dalewyn on Saturday December 31, 2022 @07:27PM (#34202239)
Speaking as an American, my chief problem with the EU is that it's too big with wanton disregard for the histories of its constituent member nations.

EU member nations are countries with literally hundreds if not thousands of years of storied history, all with varied cultures and traditions. It is impossible to unify such peoples in as heavy-handed a manner as the EU without harming and even destroying the identities of those member nations.

Cultural and national pride are things that are very real and not something to be tossed aside, they are the identities of those peoples and deserve to be respected.

The EU damages such things by way of instituting a single currency, removing the concept of borders, removing a nation's sovereign right to fiscal and economical policies, and more. I feel part of the reason Brexit ultimately came to be is because British pride could not allow EU encroachment to continue any further, and the EU will see more Brexits again sooner or later unless those fundamental issues are properly addressed.

A federation of states works for the United States of America because our states are, at the oldest, merely 200~300 years old, with most holding common or at least very similar heritages. There are less obstacles for such a union to overcome to be successful. The EU's member nations are wildly different by comparison and it is foolhardy to think an even more tightly-federated EU would be successful just like that.

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by lispm on Saturday December 31, 2022 @08:00PM (#34202465)
> hundreds if not thousands of years of storied history

lots of wars incl. the 1st, second and the cold war.

The EU has helped to create a larger Europe with much less conflicts. Having a single currency is a great advantage, borders are no longer necessary and, yes, nations are still responsible for their fiscal and economic policies.

> even destroying the identities of those member nations

the EU doesn't do that.

> EU will see more Brexits again sooner or later unless those fundamental issues are properly addressed

Actually it's the opposite. The UK was dumb enough to give up the single market, freedom of movement, common standards, common politics, solidarity, etc. The negative effects and the lack of positive effects of the Brexit are plain to see and the younger generation in the UK will demand the benefits back. Those lost the most because of Brexit.

The disintegration of the EU after the Brexit was always propaganda. If one read the British press, the EU was always collapsing the next day and the Eurozone would disappear. Nothing like that has happened, not even remotely.

> foolhardy to think an even more tightly-federated EU would be successful just like that

The EU is already a huge success.

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by jokethrowaway on Sunday January 01, 2023 @10:02AM (#34206754)
> Actually it's the opposite. The UK was dumb enough to give up the single market, freedom of movement, common standards, common politics, solidarity. The negative effects of the Brexit are plain to see and the younger generation in the UK will demand the benefits back. Those lost the most because of Brexit.

> The EU is already a huge success.

I'd love to hear some proof of this

That's debatable and you'd want to bring some data if you're debating this.

I live in EU but I'd live in the UK if it weren't for the horrible weather. At least they don't have the immigration and poverty of the local population problem (which turns into thefts) that southern europe has.

Not to mention the covid bill which we'll have to pay within 10 years which the UK skipped.

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by lispm on Monday January 02, 2023 @08:26PM (#34226322)
The UK paid in form of excess mortality. Nothing to be proud of.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores...

> At least they don't have the immigration and poverty of the local population problem

UK? The UK had some of the regions with high poverty in the EU. Outside of London there are regions of high poverty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_Kingdom

Just three years ago: https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/12/11/the-uks-poore...

Brexit makes it all only worse. Now you need to compare the UK with the poorer regions of the EU to look better. The UK itself has one extremely rich region and a lot of medium to poor regions.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/map-reveals-uk-re...

Immigration? That's on an all-time high in the UK:

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/08/25/immigration...

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by bostonian10 on Saturday December 31, 2022 @08:51PM (#34202768)
Speaking as an American too, this guy is completely wrong, and I disagree with every single point he made.
Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by Beltalowda on Saturday December 31, 2022 @08:54PM (#34202785)
> EU member nations are countries with literally hundreds if not thousands of years of storied history, all with varied cultures and traditions. It is impossible to unify such peoples in as heavy-handed a manner as the EU without harming and even destroying the identities of those member nations.

The EU doesn't really "unify" all the countries in to one. The US federal government has significantly more power than EU parliament has in many areas.

I also can't think of a single area where I feel my national identity is being destroyed or taken away from by the EU. In what ways does it do that?

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by mavelikara on Saturday December 31, 2022 @09:28PM (#34202975)
You should check out Indian history.
Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by light_hue_1 on Saturday December 31, 2022 @10:14PM (#34203216)
> Speaking as an American, my chief problem with the EU is that it's too big with wanton disregard for the histories of its constituent member nations. > > Cultural and national pride are things that are very real and not something to be tossed aside, they are the identities of those peoples and deserve to be respected. > > The EU damages such things by way of instituting a single currency, removing the concept of borders, removing a nation's sovereign right to fiscal and economical policies, and more

You're missing the point of the EU. The EU was literally created to do this and to tone down national pride.

The purpose of the EU was to prevent wars in Europe. Europe was a hotbed for wars for hundreds of years. WW1 was not that special! We had countless wars in Europe, even wars that would be considered world wars in retrospect like Napoleon's romp across the continent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

The founding idea of the EU is to intertwine countries, remove barriers between them, so that Europeans stop trying to kill one another because of cultural and national pride. That's why there are no borders, why there's a single market (the very origins of the single market are in tying together steel production between EU members so that they couldn't easily detach from one another and create their own war machines again), why there are common rules, etc.

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by djur on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:36AM (#34203925)
> A federation of states works for the United States of America because our states are, at the oldest, merely 200~300 years old, with most holding common or at least very similar heritages

There's a reason for that, which is that the US conquered or subjugated its neighbors rather than peacefully federating with them, and US states accepted a substantially lower level of sovereignty than any EU member. Texas tried to "Texit" only 16 years after it joined the US, and it received far less accommodation than the UK did in leaving the EU.

Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by readingboxer on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:17AM (#34204110)
This is utter nonsense, so completely removed from reality. Countries in the EU are not losing their national identity or culture, not even remotely. I'm guessing you have never been anywhere near an eu country. My country has been in the EU for 50 years this year. Our identity has not changed in that time, we haven't lost our culture and we are definitely still as proud as ever. You have been reading or watching something crazy, it's making a fool of you.
Re:Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone by dkjaudyeqooe on Sunday January 01, 2023 @03:26AM (#34204660)
> EU member nations are countries with literally hundreds if not thousands of years of storied history, all with varied cultures and traditions.

What a load of tripe. European nations are a relatively modern invention. Historically Europe has been ruled by various empires. Europe has historically looked more like the EU than a collection of countries. And though it all the local (mostly regional) culture has survived and thrived.