US navy released worst rust photo to date

Re:US navy released worst rust photo to date by cpursley on Saturday December 31, 2022 @02:12PM (#34199654)

Russian integrated air defense is better than what the US or west can muster at the moment (just read up a little on these systems and how they integrate, Russians math good). They might suck at practically everything else, but not air defense. This is pretty widely acknowledged by western experts.

In fact, the old S-300s and Buks in Ukranine have been pretty effective and probably what spooks the Russians from using their air force in mass. Even those old systems are probably better than the Patriot for a lot of tasks. There's even been talks of sending more S-300s from Greece because they work and Ukraine knows how to operate them.

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Re:US navy released worst rust photo to date by LargoLasskhyfv on Saturday December 31, 2022 @10:28PM (#34203286)

> There's even been talks of sending more S-300s from Greece because they work and Ukraine knows how to operate them.

That would be unwise from a Greek perspective, because of Erdolfs ambitions and posture.

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Re:US navy released worst rust photo to date by CapricornNoble on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:29AM (#34203893)

I re-read my post and I can see that it is unclear. I meant the Russians lack trained PILOTS, not that they lack decent IADS. I agree that Russian/Soviet SAMs are overall pretty damn good, and deserve to be respected. I think Soviet doctrine of robust air defenses at all ranges/capability levels is proving prescient. The US in particular finally realized they need to play catch-up when it comes to SHORAD.

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