Pelé, the Global Face of Soccer, Dies at 82

Re:Pelé, the Global Face of Soccer, Dies at 82 by prmph on Friday December 30, 2022 @01:42PM (#34188309)

> Right. You are a joke. The one game he played was what won Brazil the WC that year. In 62 it was Garrincha who took Brazil to the promised land. Benezema has a winners medal too btw.

He played two games, not one game as you claim (a factual error). He also actually played, and scored, unlike Benzema. And, as I said, if they lost the games he played in, they would have been kicked out. You have addressed none of these facts, and have resorted to name calling and ad-hominem attacks.

> Yeah I stand by the shit league comment. They didn't even have proper record keeping so the 1200+ goals is a bad claim. He was surrounded by great players at the WC Jairzinho, Gérson, Tostão, Rivelino in 1970.

So if it was a shit league how come players in that league won the world cup 3 times in 12 years? All his goals are well attested to (do your research), I'm not sure what you mean by lack of proper record keeping.

> He was surrounded by great players at the WC Jairzinho, Gérson, Tostão, Rivelino in 1970.

Please read my earlier comment in reply to this argument of yours.

> You are comparing that to Burucchaga and Voldano. Lol. I sincerely hope you bring more rigor to your day job.

Hmmm, Valdano for example, won the UEFA cup with Real Madrid in 1986, scoring twice in the final. He also scored several important goals (4 in all) in the world cup that year. If that is a mediocre player then Pele's team-mates were also mediocre.

> Pelé included goals scored in friendlies or matches against semi-professional or even amateur teams. These facts are not even in dispute.

They are still goals, no? They are all certified by FIFA. You claimed they are "suspect", the implication being that they are somehow not genuine or falsified.

> Christ, you are not even wrong.

Indeed, I am not wrong because I am arguing based on facts, not irrational emotion.

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Re:Pelé, the Global Face of Soccer, Dies at 82 by sparc24 on Friday December 30, 2022 @03:16PM (#34189518)

> At 62 WC in Chile he scored and assisted against Mexico in the first game and then got hurt in the game against the Czechs and sat out the rest of the tournament. He did get a winner's medal so technically you are correct.

Learn to read. Second game against the Czechs.

> So if it was a shit league how come players in that league won the world cup 3 times in 12 years? All his goals are well attested to (do your research), I'm not sure what you mean by lack of proper record keeping.

Christ sake were you born stupid or did you have to work at it. Messi, Mbappe, Neymar play at PSG in Ligue 1. They could win a WC together. Does that make it a competitive league. Go look at the 1200+ goals. There is no official record and it includes non league friendlies against amateurs.

> They are all certified by FIFA. The most corrupt organization in the world. This is not even in dispute by the most ardent Pele fans that the count is questionable.

Go learn some history. Comparing Valdano to Jairzinho. I am embarrassed for you.

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Re:Pelé, the Global Face of Soccer, Dies at 82 by prmph on Friday December 30, 2022 @04:59PM (#34190597)

I believe your comment violates the site guidelines. Not having any proper arguments is one thing, but resorting to personal attacks is another altogether.

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Re:Pelé, the Global Face of Soccer, Dies at 82 by sparc24 on Friday December 30, 2022 @07:05PM (#34191706)

Your intellect violates all guidelines. Yet, here we are.

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Re:Pelé, the Global Face of Soccer, Dies at 82 by dang on Friday December 30, 2022 @07:50PM (#34192005)

Yikes! You can't post like this here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this.

I don't want to ban you, and since we haven't warned you before, it seems fair to ask you to fix this first. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting to HN, we'd appreciate it.

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