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Re:Artificial Intelligence Is Stupid and Causal Reasoning Wi... by jqpabc123 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @04:24PM (#34154042)
You have pilot test cars moving along carefully mapped paths in some specific urban locations. You also have test trucks moving along some specific interstates (which I would expect to be a somewhat easier task) but with backup human drivers on board.

Neither of these is capable of being placed into a random environment and actually "driving" from environmental feedback with minimal directions (turn left, go right, stop) --- which most any human driver can easily do.

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Re:Artificial Intelligence Is Stupid and Causal Reasoning Wi... by Retric on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:25PM (#34155863)
The difference between pre mapped and random environment disappears once you map all roads in a finite roadway network. It only takes ~70 drivers to cross every public road in the US once a year, that’s hardly a major investment compared to the utility of self driving cars.

Really it’s little different than many modern drivers being dependent on the GPS for long trips.

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Re:Artificial Intelligence Is Stupid and Causal Reasoning Wi... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @12:16AM (#34157766)
The difference between pre mapped and random environment disappears once you map all roads in a finite roadway network.

Once you map all the roads and account for very imaginable situation and scenario --- the unexpected and unanticipated will still occur.

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Re:Artificial Intelligence Is Stupid and Causal Reasoning Wi... by Retric on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @05:42AM (#34159591)
In unexpected situations they avoid obstacles just like people do.

Mapping isn’t about unexpected situations beyond the loss of GPS.

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Re:Artificial Intelligence Is Stupid and Causal Reasoning Wi... by gambiting on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @05:59AM (#34159708)
No they don't, that's nonsense. A Tesla FSD just gives up control deciding it has no idea what to do, often with literally 3 second notice. I've driven it and it's the most dangerous system out there - because it seems so good, right up to a point where it completely relinquishes control, leaving you in the middle of a busy intersection, or in traffic behind a cyclist which it literally doesn't know what to do with.

"Just like people do" is only true if you see 7 year olds driving around, I imagine they would have similar capacity to make decisions on the road as Tesla FSD does. Except I imagine even a 7 year old wouldn't just let go of the wheel completely.

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Re:Artificial Intelligence Is Stupid and Causal Reasoning Wi... by Retric on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @06:03AM (#34159738)
Tesla doesn’t do self driving. Other companies have cars without humans inside on public streets, that’s self driving.

The use case of self driving taxi already exist as in you tell an app where you want to go and an empty car with AI driver shows up. The app doesn’t always summon an AI driver, but when humans and machines are doing the same job don’t expect the humans to win indefinitely.

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