Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by iamacyborg on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:19AM
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Why fall into conspiracies when the pragmatic answer is the more logical one?
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No clue, but many people do.
What is the pragmatic and non-conspiracy answer you are imagining? As I understand it, a group of people coordinating in secret to take actions that the public would not let them take if the secrecy were broken is pretty much the definition of a conspiracy.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by freejazz on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @09:52AM
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This abuses the word conspiracy theory, which implies a malevolent plan (at least in the common use of the word) as opposed to a benevolent plan. Your argument is incredibly disingenuous.
A conspiracy whose conspirators believe they are doing a morally good thing is still a conspiracy. In fact, in one or another way this is probably the case for most conspiracies - as they say, nobody is the villain of their own story. Does it make a difference if some people outside of the conspiring circle agree with the conspirators that their cause is righteous? I don't see why, and it's not like everyone or even an overwhelming majority agrees - otherwise there would be no need to conspire.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by freejazz on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @11:27AM
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I didn't speak to their individualized or group subjective motivation, but an objective measure of what was done, so your whole response is completely off.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by iamacyborg on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @12:52PM
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The pragmatic answer is that the government wanted to secure supplies for social services first.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by ThunderSizzle on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:04PM
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Word choice. Government officials, primarily unelected, conspired to secure supplies for their agencies first, and we're willing to knowingly lie and politicize to do it.
Was it pragmatic? Sure. Morally right? Probably no, if ends don't justify means.
Doesn't mean the pragmatic answer also wasn't a conspriacy.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by throwaway29812 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:14PM
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Apparently the ends don't ever justify the means according to some.
It's not necessarily about the ends never justifying the means; some of us just have arrived at the impression that the same means of deception and authoritarianism are being justified so often by a variety of ends that perhaps their proponents don't actually believe there is a terrible lot of justification needed for them.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by throwaway29812 on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:48PM
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I feel like you are straying from the actual topic at hand. Rationing n-95 masks = "deception and authoritarianism"? I see the deception. The rest of your sentence I don't understand at all.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by shaky-carrousel on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @08:04AM
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That multiple government wanted to secure supplies is logical. That multiple governments decided to do so by lying about the effectiveness of the face masks is suspicious.
It reminds me of a time where multiple governments were really sure that Irak had WMDs.
That's not incompatible with it being a conspiracy, though. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by canadiantim on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @10:45AM
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recently conspiracy has been the more pragmatic and logical answer though, that's the point
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by throwaway29812 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:15PM
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Such as?
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate
by throwaway29812 on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:49PM
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any example at all really, will do