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Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by dredmorbius on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:13PM (#34141950)
This strikes me as a well-meaning project which has utterly misconceived both the source of the problem, and its solution.

Apologies for length. I'm thinking that privacy solutions need their own version of the "why your anti-spam idea won't work" checklist, which would be shorter...

<https://trog.qgl.org/20081217/the-why-your-anti-spam-idea-wo...>

I've written a bit on the hierarchy of failure, or reversing the sign, the requisite success chain, in problem resolution:

<https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/2fsr0g/hierarc...>

Schluss fails at stages 2 & 3 (diagnosis and etiology), fails to clearly define 4 (objective), and embarks on "garbage can theory" solutionism in 5 (redress), a/k/a "when you have a hammer, every problem is a nail". Specifically Schluss is applying techno-solutionism to a problem which, whilst it has a technical component is fundamentally grounded in commerce, law, and risk. Given these foundational failings, I'm confident in predicting that Schluss will fail in its (poorly-formed and poorly-communicated) objectives entirely. I say this with absolutely no joy.

Furthermore, Schluss's proposed solution fails because data simply don't work that way. The way information works is through records and transmission, where a record preserves a transmission and a transmission reads from and/or generates a record. The notion that a single canonical data store assures that by technical means alone further stores and transmissions don't happen evidences a grievous failure to grasp the problem.

I've compiled a set of early concerns (largely pre-1980) expressed over computerised data, which are recommended reading. In particular I point to the works of Paul Baran written whilst at RAND in the 1960s. For those unaware, Baran is one of the co-inventors of packet-switched data routing, an essential foundation of today's Internet.

<https://www.rand.org/pubs/authors/b/baran_paul.html>

<https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/bf4f5f10f6120138799c00...>

Today's extraordinarily invasive data-surveillance regime, in both its surveillance state and surveillance capitalism instantiations, arises from a set of factors:

- Data storage is cheap and immense. Total data storage has been doubling every few years (2--4 by a quick search), and has been for decades, dating to at least the 1960s.[1] Significant thresholds were crossed in the early 2000s when disk ("spinning rust") storage crossed the 1 GB threshold, with the emergence of SSD storage after about 2010, and with the increasing prevalence of multi-GB RAM storage, with 24 TiB presently among the highest-memory tiers available on Amazon AWS. Your Humble Correspondent recalls working on a shared-compute resource in the early 1990s with a score and a half other analysts which had an aggregate storage of about 2 GB, for a mid-sized data-heavy corporation.

- Legal theories, most especially "Third Party Doctrine" in the US, which holds that "people who voluntarily give information to third parties—such as banks, phone companies, internet service providers (ISPs), and e-mail servers—have 'no reasonable expectation of privacy' in that information." <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine>[2]. Given the practical impossibility of conducting a normal life without use of such services, the doctrine effectively establishes a national surveillance apparatus and abrogates Constitutional guarantees of privacy.[3]

- A compelling commercial case. There are critics of surveillance capitalism's actual effectiveness, notably Cory Doctorow.[4] His case boils down to 1) influences are at best marginal and 2) it's a grift, mostly against advertisers. To which I respond that margins matter and advertising is an $800 billion global industry, costing roughly $100 per head, most of which is actually allocated to the 1 billion richest people on Earth, so if you're reading this figure your "free Internet" (and television, radio, and legacy print media) are costing you $800 per year, for each member of your household. Free ain't cheap. And it's remarkably corrosive in terms of privacy, manipulation, dark UI/UX patterns, and shitty, shitty content.

- Legally-permitted data exchange. Data-based credit risk assessment dates to the dawn of modern banking (a fuzzy line, as are most, but let's posit 12th century Italy), with currently extant firms such as Dun & Bradstreet tracing their origins to the early 19th century.[5] Practices such as ethnic, religious, racial, and "old-boy" network profiling led to outcomes such as redlining (mentioned by Baran in his writings, again, highly recommended). Modern data-based predictions utilising machine learning result in what Cathy O'Neil has colourfully termed "weapons of math destruction" in her book of the same name.[6]

- Effectively no liability for misuse, leakage, or exfiltration of data. I've long since stopped tracking major commercial data breaches. I strongly suspect Wikipedia's list is grossly incomplete.[7] The modern corporation is a liability-externalising engine, and there are few liabilities more effectively externalised than data loss, and its various fellow travelers of fraud, "identity theft" (that is: fraud), phishing (that is, fraud), impersonation (that is: fraud), social engineering (that is: fraud), and ... well, more fraud. Defences and consequences are pushed to the individual, precisely the level at which they are both most damaging and least-effectively addressed.

IF we are going to tackle this problem, THEN these underlying foundations must be attacked.

Data exchange must be greatly limited. Whilst data are cheap individually, large scale data aggregation does remain expensive, and if not justifiable based on commercial value, it will cease.

Liability for unauthorised disclosure and abuse must be entirely revised. "Data are liability" has been my own watchword for much of the past decade. Legally it has far less validity than I'd like.

Practices based on data aggregation must be both closely regulated and highly taxed. The taxes serve both to reduce the profitability of such businesses, and to provide an additional legal tool for prosecution against offenders. The old saw about Al Capone stands.[8]

Individuals must be granted strong legal protections to correct, or remove, data absent a compelling public interest in that data being available. I'm well aware that this sets up a conflict between privacy and free speech rights. Those are inherent and unavoidable, the question is where one finds a balance.[9]

I also hold that privacy is an emergent response to changes in informational landscapes and increased capacities in capture, storage, transmission, and processing. As such, evolution of privacy follows rather than leads such technologies, it is inherently* reactive, no preemptive. I'm not aware of an explicit similar statement from others though Jeffrey Rosen's The Unwanted Gaze, much of the work of Daniel J. Solove and Helen Nissenbaum have struck me as above par. Harvard historian Jill Lepore has an excellent biography: <https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/jlepore/files/lepore_secre...> (PDF).

Above all: Privacy is fundamentally the ability to define and enforce limits on information disclosure. Approaches to improving it must account for both elements. Schluss's proposal by contrast fails both.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by dredmorbius on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:14PM (#34141955)
Notes:

1. Some typical citations: "every ten years" (1968) <https://books.google.com/books?id=ZH3pAAAAMAAJ&q=data+storag...>, "every five to eight years" (1961) <https://books.google.com/books?id=36dRmdlvcE0C&pg=PA255&dq=d...> "every ten to fifteen years" (1972) <https://books.google.com/books?id=3fIWAQAAMAAJ&q=data+storag...> via Google Books search on "data storage doubles every years" bound to 1900--1979 <https://www.google.com/search?q=data+storage+doubles+every+y...>.

2. Wikipedia cites Thompson II, Richard M. "The Fourth Amendment Third-Party Doctrine". Key case law is Katz v. United States (1967), United States v. Miller (1976), Smith v. Maryland (1979), United States v. Graham (2012), amongst others.

3. I'm aware that the US is not the only jurisdiction on Earth. It is however a major jurisdiction, one for which all of the present FAANG surveillance monopolies principally reside, and which has a major influence on others. The rising significance of China amongst Internet service providers ... does little to improve on the situation, in which case the US is among the better present defenders of personal privacy. Yes, that's an awfully low bar.

4. See: How to Destroy Surveillance Capitalism (2022) <https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destroy-surveillance-capit...> Buy: <https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-to-destroy-surveillance-cap...>

5. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dun_%26_Bradstreet> citing <http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/the-dun-bra...>

6. Pub 2016. Overview: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Math_Destruction> Buy: <https://bookshop.org/p/books/weapons-of-math-destruction-how...>

7. Though that doesn't diminish my appreciation of the effort. Results here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_data_breaches>

8. The gangster was convicted not on organised crime, smuggling, or murder charges, but for tax evasion in 1931. <https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/al-capone>

9. I've explored this question somewhat, though still haven't fully developed the notion, as one of informational autonomy, encompassing a set of related and often conflicting concerns. See: <https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/622677903778013902fd00...> and some followups on Diaspora* <https://diaspora.glasswings.com/tags/autonomouscommunication> and Mastodon <https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/tagged/AutonomousCommunication> and <https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/tagged/InformationAutonomy>.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by walterbell on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:47PM (#34144021)
The US is moving towards mandating (~2024) that banks expose customer transaction data via a standardized API that customers can use to grant third parties permission to access their data. In theory, a third-party "personal data store" could be a consumer and custodian of bank transaction/payment data. In aggregate, this could offer visibility comparable to a CBDC.

Proposals like Schluss and Tim Berners-Lee W3C "Solid" protocol use rhetoric about privacy and customer control, but their focus on data portability is likely to increase aggregation (decreasing privacy) of customer data that is currently siloed across multiple organizations and schemas.

> I'm thinking that privacy solutions need their own version of the "why your anti-spam idea won't work" checklist, which would be shorter...

This would indeed be useful, e.g. in a git repo with a template applied to earlier proposals, for the edification of future proposal writers.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by dredmorbius on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:19PM (#34144275)
Keep in mind that KYA and financial disclosure laws in the US also make many transactions far less private than was the case in a world relying on cash or direct payments.

That said, thanks for the information.

I (hopefully obviously) agree with you regards Schluss and TBL's Solid. I suspect those projects are well-intentioned. They're hopelessly naive regarding stated goals.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by walterbell on Monday December 26, 2022 @10:50PM (#34144877)
> Keep in mind that KYA and financial disclosure laws in the US also make many transactions far less private than was the case in a world relying on cash or direct payments.

With the BIS push for CBDCs in 2023, there is limited time for well-intentioned projects to get up to speed on adversarial and competitive incentives :( There may still be room to negotiate a minimum CBDC transaction value before KYC/identity mandates apply, to retain some fig leaf properties of cash for small transactions. Here are a couple of references on CFPB Section 1033 and "open banking":

https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-fintech/open-b...

> sources on Capitol Hill tell him that draft rule-making can be expected six months after panel review, and rules 90 days after that, putting the end of what would be a 12-year wait for rules governing the field of open banking sometime near August 2023.

https://workweek.com/2022/10/26/money2020/

> Director of the CFPB, Rohit Chopra, taking the stage to give an update on the bureau’s rulemaking on Section 1033 of the Consumer Financial Protection Act, which will obligate financial institutions to share consumer data upon consumer request ... the role that consumer-permissioned data sharing can play in promoting competition and enabling consumers to “break up” with their banks more easily. This seems to be, in the view of the CFPB, the chief virtue of open banking.

There's also UCC Article 12, which has been ratified but not yet adopted by U.S. states, which links some rights to possession of control/keys, even if a blockchain asset may have been stolen, https://www.clearygottlieb.com//news-and-insights/publicatio...

> Article 12 – dealing directly with the acquisition and disposition of interests (including security interests) in “controllable electronic records,” which would include Bitcoin, Ether, and a variety of other digital assets ... Control under Article 12 is designed to be a technology-neutral functional equivalent of “possession.” It generally encompasses circumstances when a party has the “private key”

New laws for open health data recently took effect, practical results TBD, but one can imagine Apple/Google/Schluss/Solid seeking to aggregate and host health data, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33127810

> Under federal rules taking effect [Oct 2022], health care organizations must give patients unfettered access to their full health records in digital format. No more long delays. No more fax machines. No more exorbitant charges for printed pages.

If 1990s US telecom deregulation had achieved the promised-land vision of symmetric broadband to homes and small business, we might today have an installed base and viable business models for "home servers". This would enable banking/health customers to take both physical and logical custody of their data, with legal rights within the perimeter of their homes.