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Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by kkfx on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:40AM (#34139233)
Ehm sorry but talking about "full control of our own data" in a paper written with Microsoft Word and presenting a mobile app is like talking about peace while empty a magazine aiming at someone else body.

Beside that to have our data, witch does not means privacy, does only means owning A COPY of our data in a fully locally usable form, we need home storage, desktops, home offline copies etc. We need to state a thing: to be Citizens in the digital world, as we need a home in the physical one we need a digital home that's OURS not rent from someone else. Witch means today having a home server for sharing purposes, with a static ip, enough upload, a domain name (or at least a subdomain) and so on.

WE CAN'T OWN anything on a mobile simply because the platform is managed/manageable from remote NOT under our control. We can't own anything on proprietary tools or services.

The dream have a name: classic internet. Witch means a network of interconnected hosts, where one of them is ours, down to the hw. A world of desktop computing where we both produce and consume, sharing between peers, the cloud at maximum reduced to "scalable cache/computing resources in the Plan 9 alike model" and so on. The rest is just marketing.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by fsflover on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:33PM (#34139748)
> WE CAN'T OWN anything on a mobile simply because the platform is managed/manageable from remote NOT under our control.

It depends. If you use Librem 5 or Pinephone, then you do control your data. Apart from that, I agree with your comment.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by andsoitis on Monday December 26, 2022 @01:01PM (#34140058)
> WE CAN'T OWN

Ownership isn’t predicated on physical custody.

Re:What does it mean for users to be in full control over th... by blackbear_ on Monday December 26, 2022 @01:44PM (#34140482)
It's not so simple in the digital domain where CTRL+C/ALT+TAB/CTRL+V is all you need to have your very own copy of things.