Against earlier variants of the virus the vaccines were also very impressive in preventing infections. Far higher than the 50% minimum standard that was set when the development started.
Below 50's were never even close to high risk and as soon as it was known (which was very) the vaccines didn't prevent spread they should have immediately been halted for all low risk age groups.
The chance of death is low for those up to 50. But vaccines even further reduce that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/arti...
Here's another one with a bit more of a specific breakdown
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...
Unfortunately at this point there is no way to see if the vaccines have actually saved lives because a) they don't stop the virus or its spread, it is not confirmed that the vaccines haven't caused significantly more covid infections by being leaky (look up 'Leaky Vaccines,'[1] or OAS (original antigenic sin)) and they have encouraged high risk behaviour in the false belief the vaccines provide sufficient protection. I mean I don't even see any ads or posters around any more advising on hygiene improvements like not shaking hands, getting out in the sun, eating healthily, look after the weak and elderly, etc. People just take the vaccine as their safety blanket and worse, are signing their kids up for it when they were never a risk vector (until mid-covid the 'science' changed on that).
If you can point me to a study that conclusively shows vaccines absolutely saved lives over the longer term (that aren't based on models full of positive assumptions on efficacy and effectiveness), I'm happy to read it.
[1] example: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigeni...
The results are clear: the rate of severe or fatal cases was many times higher for unvaccinated people in all age groups.
For people aged 20-59, three doses (of either mRNA or inactivated virus vaccines) reduced the chance of severe or fatal disease by nearly 99%. Efficacy actually drops with age: for >80-year-olds, there's only a 97% reduction in risk (though because the starting risk is much higher, they get a larger overall benefit).
This was with Omicron, by the way. In an unprotected population, Omicron is still very destructive.
0. "Vaccine effectiveness of one, two, and three doses of BNT162b2 and CoronaVac against COVID-19 in Hong Kong: a population-based observational study", The Lancet Infectious Diseases, July 2022: https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(22)00345-0
There were 39 new deaths in Hong Kong today, of which
37 died in public hospitals and 2 were reported by
public mortuaries.
There are 37 newly reported deaths of patients infected
with the new coronavirus, including 23 males and 14
females, aged between 50 and 104 years old.
Among the newly reported deceased patients, 14 were
from institutions.
As for vaccination, 5 had no injection information, 3
received 4 left injections, 25 received 3 left
injections, 2 received 2 left injections, and 2
received 1 left injection.
Of the 39 deceased, all of whom were 50+ and 14 of whom were care home residents, only 5 were unvaccinated, 3 had received 4 shots, and 33 of the 39 had received at least 2 shots. That matches or exceeds the vaccination rate for their age demographics.
I cited a study that does a rigorous statistical analysis.
Yes, you've linked a study.
I've shared a typical daily report of covid-attributed deaths and the victims' levels of vaccination and, as I told you, the vaccination levels of those who die of covid are as high or higher than the rates for their age groups.
In other words, please link a study. Or something else i can trust actually wants to get at the bottom of this, not win some argument.
If your response to being shown government-announced covid deaths with details of the vaccination levels of the deceased (available on a daily basis from that and other news outlets) and, for comparison, age-bracketed vaccination levels reported by the same government is that you want to be shown a study, then I suspect what you truly want is reassurance or reaffirmation of your current set of beliefs rather than a grasp of what's currently going on.
> If your response to being shown government-announced covid deaths [..]
Well, that's what you are trying to promote. That you linked some raw data, not a conclusion-statement from this government, is all i need to know. I'm not calling you a liar. I just assume there to be another angle you might be missing (the motivated reasoning part), but this is something for experts in the respective area. And if not, it will change consensus accordingly. Unless, ofc, you believe in some grad conspiracy of all the governments all around the world. I don't.
By and large, the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines have probably been some of the most extraordinary accomplishments in medicine, with unthinkably low risks given the speed with which they were developed. We took a gamble, but the magnitude of evidence we now have that they are safe is incredible, they are up there with some of the most common OTC medicine.
Fortunately, the vaccines still seem to offer some protection to make sure that vaccinated people are less likely to have a severe form of Covid-19.