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Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by tosc on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:27PM (#34133533)
Just because people who make money out of repair are making this claim, doesn’t make it true.

See for example: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/04/apples-self-service-r...

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by fragmede on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:32PM (#34133570)
Ah yes, that 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery. The review of it was pretty interesting [0]. It's possible, but it's not exactly what I'd call user serviceable. There are a hojillion kits on Amazon which all include all the necessary tools to take the phone apart - triwing screwdriver, pentalobe screwdriver, impossibly small 00 phillipshead screwdriver, etc - so anyone that can follow youtube directions and has a steady hand can do it. It's just way harder than it needs to be so under the proposed law, they'd have to make it easier.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi...

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by tosc on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:40PM (#34133621)
Yeah - it’s fairly obvious that linked article is in bad faith.

The 79-pound repair kit is what Apple uses in its stores to avoid damaging phones that remain under warranty.

If people want to buy a bunch of cheap tools and risk damaging a delicate phone, they shouldn’t expect Apple’s help.

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by fragmede on Monday December 26, 2022 @01:26AM (#34135240)
That's funny, I got the opposite read from that article and that it's Apple that's operating in bad faith here.

Really though I think what's important is that we should expect help from Apple. It might take EU regulations to force that, but what that really says to me is that as consumer in the US, my bar for what to expect from corporations is set way too low.

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by Technetium on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @02:45PM (#34152864)
I'm going to assume ignorance over bad-faith and provide a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUpnrd-Xuho
Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by dns_snek on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:02PM (#34133738)
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What you're saying only strengthens my original point about Apple monopolizing repair.

My interests as a consumer and those of "people who make money out of repair" are almost completely aligned -- I want them to (be able to) work on my device in the event that I don't have the tools, skills or patience to do the repair myself.

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by tosc on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:12PM (#34133805)
> My interests as a consumer and those of "people who make money out of repair" are almost completely aligned

I don’t see how. The less reliable the device is, the more business they get. The more reliable the device is, the less you spend on repairs. Sure seems like opposing interests.

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by dns_snek on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:39PM (#34133949)
Repairability is orthogonal to reliability and I've only brought up complaints about the former. This dichotomy you're trying to establish doesn't have any grounding in reality.

All that repair shops can do is provide commentary and inform consumers about whether the OEM is serious about repair or whether they're just greenwashing their image and by all accounts, Apple's self-service repair program is about as anemic as their Apple authorized service provider program.

Re:Non-Replaceable Battery? Not If This Proposed EU Law Passes by tosc on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:56PM (#34134729)
> Repairability is orthogonal to reliability

This is clearly not true when we’re discussing user replaceable batteries or the like. It’s a trade off, like most things in engineering.

There are many extra ways things can go wrong by making components such as batteries easy to replace. Poor contacts, oxidation, mechanical breakage, battery compartment doors popping off, ingress of dust and fluids, looser tolerances for the batteries etc.

Nobody discussing this in good faith can deny that these issues exist.