Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion amid changing guidelines

Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by mulmen on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:01PM (#34129451)

> "I may not like what you have to say, but I support your right to say it"

The right to say “I disagree” and respond within the limits if the law is the other side of the free speech coin.

The first amendment gives Kickstarter the right to control what is on their private platform. There have never been “neutral platforms”. They’re a myth.

Kickstarter is doing what they think is best for them. Our legal and financial systems allow competitors to take advantage when miscalculations are made on the part of private parties.

Demanding “neutrality” on private platforms is a strictly anti-speech position.

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by jchw on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:29PM (#34129727)

We're (or at least I'm) not demanding neutrality. I'm criticizing the needless meddling of an almost unrelated middleman on a completely legitimate transaction. Also, holding the belief that neutrality is a good ideal for open-registration platforms to have is not anti-speech. I'm sad that you think that.

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by catiopatio on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:32PM (#34129753)

How, exactly, is an aspirational goal of free speech a “strictly anti-speech position”?

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by ceejayoz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:46PM (#34129862)

See Musk for a pretty great recent example of what the aspiration tends to mean in practice.

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by LarryMullins on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:49PM (#34130550)

Doublethink.

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by mulmen on Sunday January 01, 2023 @06:23PM (#34212223)

Depends how you define free speech. I believe it means free expression, including the right to not speak.

Neutrality is a matter of opinion, hence the scare quotes. As soon as you compel someone to speak according to your definition of neutrality you violate their right to free expression.

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by pdntspa on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:04PM (#34132451)

I agree that private companies can police as they see fit. But I am pointing out there was a culture of free speech absolutism, backed in spirit by the safe harbor internet provider legal stuff. Both of the places I listed were founded by pro-free-speech advocate and specifically cited it as a reason for their continued lax policies.

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Re:Kickstarter shuts down campaign for Unstable Diffusion am... by concordDance on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:07PM (#34132978)

This feels just like saying "Elon Musk can ban any journalists he wants to". Yes, maybe he can, but is it the right thing to do?

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