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Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by fsh on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:00AM (#34114423)
I find it fascinating that this is considered some kind of doomsday scenario in Europe, but happens regularly in the US. Different priorities, I guess.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by zrail on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:36AM (#34114585)
I don't know what you mean by "regularly". The article states that the last time this happened was 2014, nine years ago.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by yread on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:56AM (#34114678)
Texas had some hiccups last year
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by KennyBlanken on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:15AM (#34114753)
Because it didn't winterize much of its generation despite lots of warnings it needed to do so, and doesn't interconnect with the national grid because they didn't want to have to follow federal regulations.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by WeylandYutani on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:39AM (#34116285)
Yes some would consider every ten years as regular.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by ljoshua on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:43AM (#34114623)
One must put in perspective the difference though. This is a single, contained event during a fairly extreme weather scenario. Contrast that to what could have been a whole winter-long event in Europe had the continent not taken extreme and well-coordinated action very early (and had the international community coordinating as well). Let’s compare them on proper footings.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:29AM (#34115070)
It's not even that extreme for the northern US. Just that these temps usually happen in Late Jan-Feb. 60 miles east of Buffalo I'm still waiting for the first shovelable snowfall for the season.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by throw827474737 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:55AM (#34115170)
Huh, not seeing the difference really, expectations there were also usually not a whole winter-long event but contained events? Or otherwise then totally the same though to the planned load shedding SA is running on now on different levels for some time? Doesn't make it better..
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by skullone on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:46AM (#34114631)
European utilities never struggle during extreme hot or cold snaps, right?
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by fsh on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:26AM (#34114798)
Blackouts happen if the power lines themselves get damaged. But rationing and rolling blackouts due to insufficient capacity are basically unheard-of.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by Symbiote on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:29AM (#34115329)
Rationing happens, but it only affects large industry etc who have contracted to the arrangement.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by sidlls on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:40AM (#34115371)
Which is what this scenario was.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by landemva on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:30AM (#34118346)
I heard it happened in California.

"In August 2020, hundreds of thousands of Californians briefly lost power in rolling blackouts ..."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-blackouts-power-grid/st...

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by fragmede on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:58AM (#34114928)
There are various ways to prepare for future potential badness. One solution embraced by Texas, amounts to "yolo", resulting in gas-fired plants being inoperable during the cold snap in Feb 2021[0] . A different solution, favored by many other locations across the globe including in Europe, is for there to be regulations set by the government, saying "you must perform this upgrade". While these regulations cannot alter the fundamental laws of physics, it is eminently possible to “winterize” various aspects of power generation and delivery systems through practices like insulating pipelines.

[0] https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/17/texas-power-grid-fai...

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by 2000UltraDeluxe on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:46AM (#34114632)
Doomsday scenario? Narh, but some areas are dependent on electric heating to keep people warm and fed. And there's no backup plan because it was considered inconcievable that electricity wouldn't be widely available.

Most of us will manage power cuts just fine.

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by vba616 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:57AM (#34114681)
The Northeastern US largely gets its gas and electric power from National Grid plc. headquartered in London, England.

I guess that's not Europe.

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by JamesAdir on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:22AM (#34115040)
I'm sure that if we've looked on the electricity consumption per person in the EU vs the US there will be a huge difference towards the US. The American living standards are vastly higher in terms of electricity consumption and are supported by a poorly maintained infrastructure most of the times.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by skrause on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:51AM (#34115431)
It's a weird thing so say that a higher electricity consumption equals to "vastly higher living standards" when the higher consumption might just be in part because of badly insulated homes.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by Dma54rhs on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:14AM (#34115843)
Americans pay way more attention to ventilation, air quality etc. We euros barely use AC, seeing mold at home in big cities like Porto is just part of living there. I don't think Americans would accept it.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by landemva on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:33AM (#34118372)
(Many) Americans also equate higher living standards with a huge TV which is generally turned on.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by Throwawayaerlei on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:57AM (#34118623)
Is that really a lot in the scheme of things? I don't have CFL backlit LCD TV info handy since they've been supplanted by LEDs, but I looked at Best Buy (a big US seller of these sorts of things) and found a popular $500 65" and their most insane 98" $15,000 Samsung ones, 190 and 360 watts respectively.

I'm old and by my family's standards 65" diagonal would be questionable at best, so I checked in the vicinity of 48", 43" and 50" only gets you down to 120-5 watts. Add probably not very many watts for whatever's supplying the signal and it doesn't sound like a big deal, although of course everything adds up.

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by tzs on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:11AM (#34117488)
Make sure you are comparing the same thing.

Several times here and elsewhere I've seen comments from Europeans mentioning they use 5-6 kWh per day which is average to a little above average for their country and wondering how Americans average 29 kWh per day.

Almost invariably, when I cannot figure out how the heck one can get by on 5-6 kWh per day, since I use at least 10 kWh in the early summer when it is warm enough to need no air conditioning and cool enough to not need any cooling or fans and ask for details, I get the same answer.

That answer is that they are using gas for house heating, water heating, clothes drying, and cooking, leaving only a computer or two, a fridge, a few lights, and maybe a TV to be powered by electricity. Americans are far more likely to have an all electric household.

When comparing energy use instead of just electrical use Americans still average higher then Europeans but it is no longer a huge difference.

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by landemva on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:37AM (#34118414)
Some European cities also have district heating, which is managed differently than at-home heat creation.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/berlin-kicks-of...

Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by jacquesm on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:21AM (#34115570)
If that kind of weather would hit Europe right now I'm pretty sure we'd be in dire straits.
Re:Eastern US power grid orders cuts, issues system wide eme... by WeylandYutani on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:37AM (#34116276)
Can't even remember the last time I experienced a blackout.

Extreme weather events are actually very predictable the question is do you build resilience for these rare events? If not you get 1953.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953