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Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @11:17AM (#34067988)
This is a bit silly. Right-to-repair (and to be clear, I'm all for it) wasn't on the NY ballot. There wasn't a referendum, it wasn't anyone's key campaign issue, etc. Dismissing representatives for a vote on any one issue would pretty quickly leave us with zero.

(As the edit to the article indicates, the bill isn't subject to a pocket veto, either.)

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by rlpb on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:36PM (#34069240)
> This is a bit silly.

It's not. The kind of behaviour being discussed is corruption. It wouldn't be dismissing representatives for a vote on any one issue; it would be dismissing representatives for corruption. But the electorate prefers to re-elect corrupt politicians as long as the corruption is in their favor, so the behaviour continues.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:54PM (#34069536)
It's not inherently corrupt for a representative to vote in a way that's not a perfect representation of their constituents' opinion polling.

There's no allegation that the Governor has been bribed, the bill becomes law soon even if she doesn't sign it, and it's only been on her desk for two business days.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by rlpb on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @03:30PM (#34072061)
> It's not inherently corrupt for a representative to vote in a way that's not a perfect representation of their constituents' opinion polling.

That's not what we're discussing. Up-thread, I responded to:

"...paid-off politicians who act on behalf of a few oligarchs to block popular policy changes".

That behavior, if it is happening, is what I'm claiming is corruption, even that kind of behaviour is the norm nowadays, and voters don't vote this kind of corruption out, or even call it out as corruption.

> There's no allegation that the Governor has been bribed...

Correct. The allegation is as I quoted above. It is not my allegation; I'm merely discussing appropriate voting behaviour if it were true.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by rlpb on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @03:38PM (#34072165)
> ...it's only been on her desk for two business days.

Not according to the article:

"A spokesperson for the governor's office told VICE's Motherboard on October 31 that "Governor Hochul is reviewing the legislation." Asked about the bill's status today by Ars Technica, a spokesperson responded that "Governor Hochul is reviewing the legislation."

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @03:56PM (#34072413)
I'd advise reading the entire article.

> The bill was delivered to the governor Friday, according to the New York Senate's bill tracker, though she has been considering it since late June.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by thomastjeffery on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:06PM (#34070739)
What is the general sense being expressed to them currently? It's there any effort made to see how the average person in their district feels about the issue? What about those who have an opinion?

That's what representation means. It isn't intended to end when ballots are counted.

People can contact their representatives. Each representative has a paid staff to accommodate the scale of that communication.

If you can show that the average consistuent in a district has a shared opinion, and that opinion is being overruled by their representative, then you have illustrated the failure of representation.

If you can show a pattern where the opinions of a minority group are being chosen over an opinionated majority, then you have illustrated the corruption of that representative.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:54PM (#34071521)
> What is the general sense being expressed to them currently?

On right-to-repair, from their constituiencies? Likely nothing. I'm an avid consumer of news, including local, and there's been very little coverage of it.

> If you can show that the average consistuent in a district has a shared opinion, and that opinion is being overruled by their representative, then you have illustrated the failure of representation.

Nah. Politics is complicated and full of compromise; sometimes you give in on one battle to win another.

> If you can show a pattern where the opinions of a minority group are being chosen over an opinionated majority, then you have illustrated the corruption of that representative.

Or a pattern of upholding minority rights, a core component of our Constitution.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by BeFlatXIII on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:30PM (#34071166)
> Dismissing representatives for a vote on any one issue would pretty quickly leave us with zero.

Good.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:56PM (#34071562)
For about five minutes.

There tend to be downsides of political systems that don't have elected representatives.

Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by BeFlatXIII on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:36AM (#34082029)
Electing ourselves into a power vacuum.
Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by TheRealPomax on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:57PM (#34074018)
Oh I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood what an almost unanimous vote to pass by the New York legislature means? This person was not elected to ignore the state senate, no matter who you voted for. Their job is to ratify bills that passed the house, not to let them die for the lulz
Re:NY Governor stalls right-to-repair bill; has until Dec 28... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @10:53PM (#34076441)
> Their job is to ratify bills that passed the house, not to let them die for the lulz

Uh, no. That’s an absurd assertion. The Governor is another branch, that exists as a check and balance on the legislature. That’s why they have the veto power.

The gov was just as voted-in as the rest of them, too. The will of the voters in both branches.