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Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by mytailorisrich on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:07PM (#34056210)
I think there is a difference between a remote place that is difficult to access and a place that is not entitled to use public firefighters' service. IMHO the former has no bearing on the latter.

I am not judging the way things work in the US, just commenting that I don't think that population density is relevant here as the issue is one of right.

Now, of course, if you live 100 miles from the nearest town it may well take hours for the police or firefighters to show up when you call them. That's another issue.

Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by bombcar on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:22PM (#34056385)
Much of the Midwest is sparsely populated but not unpopulated - you’re never more than a half mile from a house but never much closer than that. It can cause weird servicing issues.
Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by rayiner on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:25PM (#34056425)
State and local governments aren't exempt from tort laws, etc. If they commit to service a location 100 miles away, and can't practically do so, or someone gets hurt in trying to make heroic efforts to do so, they can and will get sued. And in such a suit, making that sort of unrealistic commitment can and will be held against them.
Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by mytailorisrich on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:58PM (#34056829)
I don't think that this is how it works (paying taxes doesn't entitle to a level of service) but I admit I don't know US law.

As a side note, in this very case the issue wasn't remoteness since they could have had access to firefighters for a small annual fee. Rather it was a legal and administrative issue. But I would indeed be curious if voluntarily paying a fee rather then being taxed can have an impact on any enforceable expectation of service.

Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by munificent on Monday December 19, 2022 @03:48PM (#34057467)
> I don't think that population density is relevant here as the issue is one of right.

It is absolutely relevant because services can only be logistically and economically viable at certain levels of density. Fire services aren't very useful if it takes them a two-hour drive to reach the fire. So they have a maximum radius where they are useful. They only provide value to the people within that radius. If the density is too low, then there aren't enough people in there to afford supporting fire services.

Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by mytailorisrich on Monday December 19, 2022 @04:14PM (#34057809)
Public services are not expected to be 'economically viable' on their own. Moreover, whether there are enough people to support service is also a purely administrative and political issue.

You're not addressing my point, either, which is that there is a big difference between getting a crap service because you're hard to reach (which does happen including here in Europe) and having no right to call for help in the first place.

Again, I am not criticising, I am just thinking that there are different, separate issues here.

Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by vdqtp3 on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:04PM (#34058388)
> Public services are not expected to be 'economically viable' on their own.

They inherently are. If these neighborhoods have fire coverage equivalent to that of a metropolis, but they would be paid for via taxation at the rate of $50K per year per household, that's not economically viable.

Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by mytailorisrich on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @11:10AM (#34067890)
Public services are socialised. This means that every single person is not expected to pay as much in tax as necessary to pay for all the services they use. The aim is only that this be the case on average.

So in general people who live is more isolated houses end up being effectively subsidised by everyone else.

In your example the 'problem' stems from a tax base that is too narrow because of administrative and political choices.

In any case, that is NOT the point of my previous comments.