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Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by rapsey on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:00AM (#34050350)
Because EVs are expensive they must appeal to the market who is willing to spend more and that market needs cars to be fun.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by saiya-jin on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:35AM (#34050578)
Fun as acceleration is not really the interesting part of car fun. That's tight cornering, well-balanced front and back, feeling of total control and precision of big chunk of metal and similar. I do mean on regular roads and not just tracks, there its even more crucial.

But this requires from manufacturer much more than just slapping a heavy battery and putting the power of it straight to the wheels... whole platform needs to be fine-tuned in many aspects to achieve this. In normal price category BMW delivers this better than most peers in their classical models like 3 series. I had one for 10 years, only 200 HP V6 diesel but it was an excellent car for the driver, I properly enjoyed every drive that wasn't about cities and traffic jams. I certainly never felt I needed more power.

There are problems with this though, most buyers willing to pay premium are in traffic jams and cities, so you are not getting most of the value brands like BMW deliver. Then you are only left with acceleration part (well not that much in those traffic jams). Also it requires driving skills that take years to build with just driving the car (certainly for me, I wasn't using full potential of the car for maybe first 5 years of ownership), unlike just slamming gas pedal and holding steering wheel for your life.

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by slaw on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:47AM (#34051942)
> That's tight cornering, well-balanced front and back, feeling of total control and precision of big chunk of metal and similar.

That is nor really the interesting part of car fun, neither is acceleration.

Going to barely accessible trailhead high in the mountains, fording streams, going on a narrow mountain road, that what makes car driving interesting. I always look in a car 1) what is the biggest tire I can fit, should be at least 33 inches 2) ground clearance 3) suspension travel.

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by brianwawok on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:57AM (#34052041)
Thats not the interesting part of car fun. The part that is fun to me is to drive a couple hundred miles with the car doing the lane centering and passing for me, so I arrive fresh.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by slaw on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:02AM (#34052103)
On a highway I don't care for lane centering and passing, I want car to drive itself while I am taking a nap.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by brianwawok on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:11AM (#34052197)
That would be a fine next step. Can’t buy today though.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by forgotpwd16 on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:31PM (#34055704)
Can but it's a coin flip whether you reach your destination or end up in a ditch.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by michaelt on Monday December 19, 2022 @06:13AM (#34050826)
In that case, I can't understand why so many EVs are ugly-ass crossovers.

Who the hell has said to themselves well, the Ford Mustang is great, but it would be much more fun if instead of being a 2-door convertible, it was a practical family car and had 4 doors so you can help little Khaleesi into her car seat?

Who are these car designers saying the Lotus Elise is an iconic 2-seater roadster with a very low driving position, but you know what would be even more fun? A 4-door crossover with a much higher driving position, so our elderly and overweight customers can get in and out without straining their knees?

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by cjrp on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:57AM (#34052038)
Lotus make a 2-seat roadster EV https://www.lotuscars.com/en-GB/evija. So they're trying to cover different segments.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by travisporter on Monday December 19, 2022 @10:33AM (#34053239)
I’m in the market for a car and the short answer is my partner wants room
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by forgotpwd16 on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:26PM (#34055636)
>A 4-door crossover with a much higher driving position

Wonder how weight distribution (batteries placed within frame at bottom) of EVs impacts driving.

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by Tagbert on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:46PM (#34055906)
EVs generally have very stable cornering as they don’t roll much due to the low weight and they have a 50/50 weight distribution. Having said that, they are heavy and so are not nimble in switching directions.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by klooney on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:03PM (#34056155)
Cars are unpopular, crossovers are popular. That's what the people want.