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Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by jlebar on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:21PM (#34040690)
> The mental contortions required to conclude that "committed suicide" trivializes something, but "died by suicide" doesn't, are so extreme that I cannot believe anyone honestly holds that opinion.

I think the notion is that "committed suicide" is like "committed a crime" and harkens back to the Christian notion that suicide is a crime (against God). And so it's moralizing language that blames the person for killing themselves.

You can verify that this is a common notion among people who work in the field by Googling. For example, the first hit when I search for "why shouldn't we say committed suicide" is https://www.irmi.com/articles/expert-commentary/language-mat... which says:

> For example, the phrase "committed suicide" is frowned on because it harks back to an era when suicide was considered a sin or a crime. Think about the times when we use the word "commit": "commit adultery" or "commit murder."

> That leaves as the most likely conclusion that this document is not an honest effort to eliminate 'harm', but a mine-field, a list of sins and prohibitions, to be used as ammo against opponents.

It's interesting that you arrived at this conclusion before doing a minimal amount of research!

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by zamadatix on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:24PM (#34040742)
I always knew GitHub was a place full of sin I just couldn't figure out where these feelings were coming from.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by Pigalowda on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:27PM (#34040796)
I'm committed to my partner. She's evil, I knew it.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by csande17 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:49PM (#34041196)
I say we should form a commission to investigate this further.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by Pigalowda on Sunday December 18, 2022 @04:25PM (#34043628)
The commission might find that I’m mostly at fault so I might have to walk back my original claim.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by claytongulick on Monday December 19, 2022 @11:56PM (#34061711)
My wife's commitment is concomitant to mine.

I hope.

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by the_cramer on Monday December 19, 2022 @04:10AM (#34050038)
Jokes on you, but they changed the default branch to be named "main" instead of "master" for reasons of appropriation.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by ghostpepper on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:15PM (#34060266)
I wonder if they take points away in an interview if you have a master's degree.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by soundnote on Monday December 19, 2022 @11:26PM (#34061528)
It's still one of the most stupendous pieces of harmful slacktivism that I've seen. So, so much pointless work fixing thing that didn't need to break, and all for the stupidest reasons possible.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by amluto on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:09AM (#34061785)
“master” never made much sense to begin with. I’m still a bit disappointed that the default wasn’t set to “default”. I argued for either that or having no default at all.

Seriously, ignore political correctness for a bit. The “master” branch is generally not in charge of anything. It’s not like a master recording of which everything else is a copy. It has no special rights and isn’t even necessary more important.

It made a limited sort of sense in Linux where torvalds/linux.git’s master branch is the branch that everyone else’s development eventually follows, but my git clone of that is not any sort of master despite being called “master”.

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by soundnote on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:34AM (#34061960)
That's fair. There still wasn't a problem, just a silly legacy name.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by lstodd on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:21AM (#34079221)
Stop trying to rationalize this insanity. It's a power grab, no more, no less.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by henrikschroder on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:32PM (#34060392)
Crazy, it's almost as if the same word can have different meanings and connotations depending on context!
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by pannSun on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:38PM (#34041961)
> Committed to a cause, lives up to one's commitments, committed a patch, etc.

It's so easy. Almost every word has positive and negative connotations. Find such a word in your opponent's vocabulary, claim they intended the negative connotations, and thus declare him a sinner. Reference this Stanford document to support your accusation.

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by sicp-enjoyer on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:39PM (#34041970)
If you want to take a Christian perspective, the word "commit" is used to emphasize that the individual took specific action as opposed to "omit" meaning they failed to take proper action to prevent evil.

"Died by suicide" implies passivity. It just happened to them.

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by khazhoux on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:05PM (#34044082)
> "Died by suicide" implies passivity. It just happened to them.

Like "Officer involved shootings."

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by sicp-enjoyer on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:43PM (#34044772)
Exactly.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by Ticklee on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:44PM (#34045820)
Well with officer involved shootings I can kind of understand the passive perspective, seeing as cops are not really acting on their own accord.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by khazhoux on Monday December 19, 2022 @03:37PM (#34057325)
I genuinely don't understand this comment.

In the olden days, a news report would say "A suspect was fatally shot by a police officer."

Now, they'll only say "A suspect was fatally injured during an officer-involved shooting."

Which is like, yeah no kidding the officer was "involved" -- he pulled the trigger!

Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by zoklet-enjoyer on Sunday December 18, 2022 @04:09PM (#34043419)
One has to be fully committed to the act of ending their life in order to commit suicide.
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by AYBABTME on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:00PM (#34060146)
If you think suicide is actually a really bad thing, does it mean you can in good conscience use the saying "committed suicide"?
Re:Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative by lstodd on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:16AM (#34079194)
COMMIT should be banned from SQL.