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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by sweettea on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:15PM (#34039799)
Messi's captured the hearts of the casual World Cup fan unlike anyone else. I don't know a whole lot about soccer -- more or less all I know is that the World Cup happens every few years, is played by national teams, and Messi makes impossible plays. What I do know is all because of Messi, whose wholesome relatability and exceptional ability brings casual viewers like me; I generally avoid sports because the players are hard to relate to or have personal flaws, but I love Messi's strong family roots. I would propose that merely for being a truly exceptional face of the sport he's the GOAT.

Maybe Maradona was that way in his day -- I'm barely aware that he was a good player of yesteryear -- but his drug problems (and the fact that his heyday was so long ago) make him much less relatable or exciting to investigate as a inspiration.

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by bhrgunatha on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:38PM (#34040056)
> I'm barely aware that he was a good player of yesteryear

As an English football fan, that cheered me up (it still hurts). I suspect no English football fan could accept Maradona as the greatest.

Do you know about Pelé?

When I was a kid, it seems everyone (even non fans) knew Pelé was the greatest.

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by cryptonector on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:12PM (#34040561)
Lol, yeah. That game in 1986 must have hurt. One of the most beautiful goals of all time (which Messi has replicated twice), then that awful hand-of-g-d goal (which Messi, sadly, has also replicated twice).
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by heywhatupboys on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:19PM (#34040665)
> then that awful hand-of-g-d goal

everyone celebrates this goal. No fan has ever given him shit about it

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by cryptonector on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:21PM (#34040693)
I care, what can I say. I want clean fútbol.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by phlakaton on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:39PM (#34041033)
Soccer is played by gloriously messy human beings. A bit of schmutz now and then is not so terrible a thing.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by cryptonector on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:55PM (#34041302)
That adds to Messi's greatness, since he's not "gloriously messy".
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by mmplxx on Sunday December 18, 2022 @04:57PM (#34043997)
I would say that Messi is gloriously messy.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by phlakaton on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:48PM (#34073923)
At the very least we can say he is gloriously Messi.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by mongol on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:40PM (#34041998)
It was opposite order. Hand goal, then dribble.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by nickcox on Sunday December 18, 2022 @04:11PM (#34043454)
The second goal should also never have stood. Clear foul on Glenn Hoddle.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by andrepd on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:31PM (#34045610)
36 years on and still seething x)

The Hand of God is a clear foul, but the Goal of the Century is clean as a whistle. Funnily, these two goals alone — both so different — are pretty much the summary of Diego Maradona

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by cryptonector on Sunday December 18, 2022 @08:37PM (#34047114)
I like that take.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by mayankkaizen on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:24PM (#34041756)
I am not interested in sports but when I was in my teens, no other name was associated with any sport as was the name of Pele with football. As you said, it seemed no one was interested in football but everyone knew Pele was the god of his game.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by wslh on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:35PM (#34044608)
Have you watch this? “Diego Maradona Goal of the Century | Argentina v England | 1986 FIFA World Cup” [1]

[1] https://youtu.be/Da_CDPRG2j0

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by laurencerowe on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:23AM (#34049131)
I was too young to remember the game but I still remember the cultural impact of that goal in England as a kid. The fact we still talk about Maradona surely places him as one of the greats!

I'm not sure it makes sense to compare greats of different generations. In athletics we can clearly see the improvement from generation to generation so if you plucked them out at their heights Messi is probably a better player than Maradona and Maradona a better player than Pelé, but had they all played at the same time who knows?

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by qsort on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:51PM (#34040191)
Answers to "who is the GOAT" that won't upset hardcore soccer fans are the exactly the following set: {Maradona, Pele, Cruyff}.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by Scarblac on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:08PM (#34040466)
Nah, Messi was already part of that set for many years, and today he added the only thing missing in his career. Messi is the sole GOAT.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by cryptonector on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:13PM (#34040572)
Messi or Pelé, then the other, and only then maybe Maradona.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by andrepd on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:32PM (#34045628)
Only if you have very short memory x) he is part of the greats, but he is not the GOAT of the sport.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by radiator on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:11PM (#34040525)
Ronaldo Luis Nazario de Lima
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by kamarg on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:31PM (#34040883)
Health issues cutting his career short ensured he won't be in consideration for most people. That said, he truly was phenomenal. Absolutely one of the most amazing to ever play the game.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by SSJPython on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:34PM (#34041902)
He would've been the GOAT had he stayed healthy. Consistency and longevity is very important in this debate.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by radiator on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:06PM (#34042382)
Depends on the definition of GOAT. When he was at his peak, he played the best football ever played.

By the way, both Maradona and Messi when previously asked, have answered something along the lines that that he was the greatest.

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by ardit33 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:36PM (#34040963)
Nah. I am C. Ronaldo fan. For many he was an inspiration as well. CR7 was unlucky this WC, due to his manager's poor decisions with the Morocco game.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by alvah on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:24PM (#34045468)
He’s blown his legacy with his childish behaviour for club and country over the last year or so.
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by was8309 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @11:55PM (#34048654)
assists?
Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by fnord123 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:11PM (#34044162)
> wholesome relatability

Nice one. I think this post will go over most peoples' heads but I had a good laugh.

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by andrepd on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:33PM (#34044539)
>Messi's captured the hearts of the casual World Cup fan unlike anyone else. I don't know a whole lot about soccer

How on earth do you reconcile these two sentences lol x)