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Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:45PM (#34023830)
It's very convenient that one side of the asile is always in a position to define what hate speech is.

Neat trick, but it doesn't work anymore.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by biohacker85 on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:22PM (#34024167)
You have to give credit to whomever came up with it, its a cheap but effective linguistic kill shot. No doubt it was engineered to be divisive, and whomever is wielding it is unlikely to be reasoned with.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:46PM (#34024378)
Exactly
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:55PM (#34023921)
Not a trick, but yeah saying we should harm certain groups of people is hate speech.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:03PM (#34023994)
Who is saying that people should be harmed? Seriously. Whoever you have in mind, if they're actually advocating violence against people then I'm in agreement with you. That's not cool and they shouldn't be doing that.

Are you referring to calling a trans person by their biological sex?

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by Apocryphon on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:28PM (#34024231)
Why does your mind instinctively go to that example?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:48PM (#34024392)
Because leftists often use that as an example of hate speech.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:06PM (#34024522)
And rightly so.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by ciler on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:00AM (#34024887)
Depends on the context. People have been suspended from Twitter from saying things like "transwomen are actually men so stop letting them compete in women's sports, it's not safe or fair for actual women", which isn't hate speech, doesn't target an individual, and is a legitimate political opinion, so in theory should be fine. Yet bans are handed out anyway.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by skinnymuch on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:36AM (#34025431)
I’m not familiar with the lightness with which Twitter bans conservatives. Could you provide an example close to the example you gave? Or will any example be even more bigoted?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Saturday December 17, 2022 @10:34AM (#34028565)
I don't believe that. I know several conservatives who posted that shit all the time and didn't get banned.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:15PM (#34031783)
So Twitter needs to bad them all for you to be convinced?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Saturday December 17, 2022 @09:40PM (#34034582)
No. I just don't believe there is a "ban this speech" b/c in my experience that didn't happen.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:15PM (#34031772)
Stating facts is not hate speech -- especially if you're trying to force society to go along with your unreality for political reasons.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Saturday December 17, 2022 @09:39PM (#34034575)
Stating facts can be hate speech. For example, if someone said "I was just attacked on my way home" and someone said "you're black" in response, yeah. Facts. Hate speech.

See? :)

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by simpleblend on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:16PM (#34041649)
Wait, so how is that hate speech?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by snowwrestler on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:42PM (#34024764)
When a doctor is speaking with a trans person about their body, it's an appropriate time to speak about their biological sex. That is certainly not hate speech.

When a stranger is yelling at a trans person about their biological sex, it's done to inflict emotional harm on the trans person. They transitioned away from that gender to reduce harm (that is the definition of a trans person), and the stranger is intentionally trying to bring that harm back.

Imagine shouting at a woman about her "biological breast size" because she is wearing a push-up bra, or had surgery to enlarge or reduce her breast size. Would that seem like a normal, harm-free way to interact with another person you don't know? Obviously not.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by Shared404 on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:43PM (#34024768)
Putting aside transphobic nonsense

> Who is saying that people should be harmed?

The rights actions speak so loud no one can hear their words.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/briefing/right-wing-mass-...

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3...

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/25/filling-the-trump-void-righ...

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Saturday December 17, 2022 @10:33AM (#34028555)
People are actually advocating violence against people, and they have gotten banned for it.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by kodyo on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:05PM (#34024019)
Joking about political figures isn't hate speech.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by Shared404 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:17AM (#34025892)
Just because it's about a political figure doesn't make something not hate speech.

If someone drops an n-word at a state rep, does it become not hate speech? The answer is (obviously) that hate speech is still hate speech.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Saturday December 17, 2022 @10:34AM (#34028570)
Who said it was?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by Shared404 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:58PM (#34030935)
They're referring to a Babylon Bee article where they misgender a trans public figure repeatedly.

It's the tweet that got the Bee suspended from twitter because they refused to delete it.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by bennies4grojnd on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:42PM (#34032025)
It was a satire on USA Today naming Levine as one of their Women Of The Year.

This isn't hate speech, just social commentary on organizations giving awards and accolades reserved for women to men who want to be women.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Saturday December 17, 2022 @09:41PM (#34034587)
The right is incredibly fucked up today. See this article: https://unherd.com/thepost/was-the-fake-boobs-teacher-a-hoax...
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by bennies4grojnd on Sunday December 18, 2022 @08:55AM (#34037644)
Seems highly unlikely this is a satirical protest.

More probably it's just a man bringing his fetish to work and expecting everyone to comply, as is the zeitgeist of today.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by roflyear on Sunday December 18, 2022 @10:57AM (#34038845)
Of course you say that, nevermind the evidence saying otherwise!
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by bennies4grojnd on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:35PM (#34040022)
An anonymous comment on 4chan is not evidence of anything.

Do you really believe this is anything other than the usual trolling that goes on over there: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdXO_XkXgAsIMFy?format=jpg&name=...