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Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by monero-xmr on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:37PM (#34023769)
We have hot wheels from my brother-in-law’s childhood and the cars made ~30 years ago are much higher quality. All metal, better axels, just feel more hefty. The new ones are mostly plastic and the axels are like cheap paper clips. They weigh significantly less.

I see this as an example of “shrinkflation” - ostensibly it’s the same product at the same price, but it’s clear that inflation has caused it to become shittier over time.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by spking on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:48PM (#34023853)
That's for sure. My kiddos play with my old childhood Fisher Price and Mattel toys from the late 1970s/early 1980s and they are still in great condition despite decades of abuse. They really were built to last compared to the cheap instant landfill fodder that lines store shelves today.
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by spike021 on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:13PM (#34024077)
If you want similar toys that are higher quality, I highly recommend Japanese Tomica. They also usually have doors that open. Loads of variety. I believe in the US you can now buy them at Walmart, but they're not too difficult to order from Amazon JP either (just make a new Amazon account with your same or different email as the US or wherever account and confirm the seller ships globally).
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Aeolun on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:46AM (#34025472)
Tomica is also 4 times more expensive.

If you want really high quality there’s even nicer german brands (Siku), with rubber wheels and all.

All made in China though :/

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by spike021 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @04:15AM (#34026197)
As is usual, price to quality (to enjoyment factor) ratio.

These days as I'm older and collect more sparingly, I prefer quality over quantity and the price evens out.

But if you're just buying for kids to have a ton of cars then hot wheels are probably still the option.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Aeolun on Saturday December 17, 2022 @05:59AM (#34026749)
Eh, it adds up. One car a month for 2-4 years means you have 24 cars spread throughout the house.
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by bombcar on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:03AM (#34027419)
And if you keep an eye out at Goodwill you can find them mixed together in a grab bag now and then for cheap.
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by tablespoon on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:09PM (#34024536)
> I see this as an example of “shrinkflation” - ostensibly it’s the same product at the same price, but it’s clear that inflation has caused it to become shittier over time.

Came here to say the same thing, and the trend was even noticeable in the 90s. I can't even imagine how flimsy they must be now -- probably even worse than a 90s cereal box prize car.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:40PM (#34024748)
This is pretty evident across the board. I loved my toys as a child so i kept a lot of them. Across the board plastic was way better. The one they have now is super shitty. I go to toys r us and I am disappointed constantly. I'm ready to pay a decent price, there is just nothing worth (beside lego probably)
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by kmlx on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:10AM (#34024945)
if you want great toys i recommend shops that stock old toys. they of course come at a premium, but the quality is generally much better. places like mandarake in tokyo come to mind, but there are many out there.
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:13AM (#34025327)
I used to play a lot with the power ranger mechas and those made from Bandai are incredible quality, unless you are up for the modern metal ones, but those cost SO much.
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:18AM (#34025345)
Anything around Canada (or north america)? Does mandarake ship to Canada?
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by hackyhacky on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:18AM (#34024994)
Modern Transformers are amazing. Way better than in the '80s.

You have to buy the collector-targeted stuff, though. The current line is called Legacy. If you are willing to pay, the Masterpiece line is also excellent, and there are fantastic third-party transformers as well: these have lots of metal, ratcheting joints, complex transformations, and usually cost over $100, up to $300. I will plug https://tfsource.com/

Avoid the kiddie-oriented lines (Cyberverse) and the mass-market lines (usually co-marketed with the most recent movie).

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:12AM (#34025322)
The problem with collector models is that they break way more easily. Also $300 means I can buy stuff the caliber of Soul of Chokogin ( https://live.staticflickr.com/5553/15149130081_124d4867f0_b.... ), which is super high quality. Or I might as well buy some of the power ranger mechas from my days, to inspire some interest in mechanics.

My daughter did fall in love with a small Gundam SD she built "oh I have an action figure too now!!!", but she of course want to play with it, she doesn't love the fact that's just in the display case.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by hackyhacky on Saturday December 17, 2022 @02:04AM (#34025541)
I'm not talking about model kits: I'm talking about high-quality toys. In my experience toys from Hasbro's Masterpiece line, as well as toys from third party-companies from like FansToys and Mastermind Creations easily exceed the build quality of Bandai.

For example, comparing my FansToys Stomp ( https://tfsource.com/fanstoys/stomp/ ) to my DX Chogokin Macross VF-1J, there's no contest: the FansToys is more durable, better articulated, with a more interesting transformation. It's just a better toy. I have Daltanius and other SoC toys as well, and they are fine, but they seem primitive in comparison to, say, Hasbro's MP-44 Optimus Prime.

Having said that, they are not children's toys. For kids I would recommend Studio Series ( https://tfsource.com/hasbro/transformers-studio-series-86/ ).

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @02:27AM (#34025647)
We are not making an apples to apples comparison though. The bandai power ranger toys would be in the $100 range today. For the same range of price, they released a full megazord + dragonzord + titanus in metal, and they can transform an merge, that's what should be compared to.

I wish I liked some design of the transformers lines you linked. Unfortunately that's entirely subjective, I understand that's nobody's fault. I used to like the transformer "animals" (I had the gorilla, the trex and the eagle), but I love veichles, I just don't like their mecha-form design and rather prefer gundam or power rangers style. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be decent toys for those nowdays.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:17AM (#34025341)
Sorry I forgot to mention, independently of my comment, that suggestion is good, I saw a bunch of cool designs.

The funny thing is that everything that actually looks good is marketed at collectors.

The problem is also that my children are still young, so I need stuff with some resistance, somewhat.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by hackyhacky on Saturday December 17, 2022 @02:08AM (#34025561)
The latest collector-oriented, wide-distribution lines from Hasbro are an outstanding value, with interesting transformations, durable enough for kids, and pay homage to the characters their parents know from the '80s. I'm talking specifically about Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom, Legacy, and Studio Series 86.

https://tfsource.com/hasbro/transformers-studio-series-86/

https://tfsource.com/transformers/war-for-cybertron-trilogy/...

https://tfsource.com/generations-legacy/

Cyclonus in particular is an amazing toy for kids or adults: https://tfsource.com/tfsource/cyclonus-and-nightstick-voyage...

You can find these at Target or Walmart in the US for even cheaper.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by tablespoon on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:36AM (#34025993)
> You have to buy the collector-targeted stuff, though. The current line is called Legacy. If you are willing to pay, the Masterpiece line is also excellent, and there are fantastic third-party transformers as well: these have lots of metal, ratcheting joints, complex transformations, and usually cost over $100, up to $300. I will plug https://tfsource.com/

Wow, they actually managed to make them look both like the cartoon robots and transform into the cartoon vehicle. I remember one or the other always being pretty iffy.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Izkata on Saturday December 17, 2022 @04:04AM (#34026133)
For anyone that wants a direct link to one of these (there's a lot of stuff on that site that doesn't transform), here's a $700 transforming Optimus Prime: https://tfsource.com/transformers-branded-merchandise/optimu...
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by nier on Saturday December 17, 2022 @07:09AM (#34027101)
The still images don’t do that toy enough justice. There’s a review video with Adam Savage, a former designer at Industrial Light & Magic:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytI929g4puE

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by plaidisdoomed on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:42AM (#34029392)
Also of mythbusters fame
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:22AM (#34035280)
That one is famous. It's the way to go to kill the fun. Transforming a transformer is the most fun part!
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by hackyhacky on Saturday December 17, 2022 @07:25PM (#34033760)
To be clear: the linked toy is able to transform itself. It is therefore both a toy and a robot, not merely a toy robot.

Most toys on the site are able to be transformed by manual manipulation, which must be learned by the user. For me, that's most of the fun: I enjoy learning the intricacies of each transformation and it's satisfying to move them back and forth between their various modes. Therefore a self-transforming toy, while technically impressive, has little allure for me.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by mc32 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:23AM (#34025030)
Tomica is another choice.
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:16AM (#34025338)
WOW, some stuff here looks amazing, thank you!
Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by spicybright on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:34AM (#34025093)
Just for some anecdata, I like buying hot wheels for desk toys every so often.

They definitely feel light and cheap, but still roll really smoothly and straight. From reading up on their history, I recall that was the main innovation that made it so popular. It's neat they kept that going!

That said, I'm not a kid crashing them together every day in a sandbox, I just fiddle with each every few days for maybe 3-6 months or so at a time before switching out to new ones.

So your mileage may vary (ha) depending on how taxing you are on them.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Spooky23 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:07AM (#34025285)
My parents kept all of my cars from the 80s and my brothers from the 90s, so my kid plays with 50 years worth of them.

The shrinkflation was between 1980 and early 2000s. The cars today are cheaper, but not junky. They are raising their margins by other means now. That low price point exists, but with a much smaller number of cars. When I was a kid in the 80s, there was 50-100 cars at the same price. Now there is much less, but the cool cars are often branded and may be 2x-3x the price.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by Caldwell-77 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:12AM (#34025319)
I actually think the cars are still decent quality. I’ve bought a number of them for my 4-year-old son recently, and we have a lot of fun racing and crashing them. They’re holding up well so far after months of daily use.

And even if the quality of Hot Wheels has gone down over the years/decades, I think it’s awesome that each car still only costs about $1. I can easily afford to buy one or two cars every time I go to the grocery store with my son, which makes the shopping experience much more fun for both of us. If the cars were 10x the price, then I couldn’t do that.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by phil21 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @10:01AM (#34028272)
> I can easily afford to buy one or two cars every time I go to the grocery store with my son, which makes the shopping experience much more fun for both of us. If the cars were 10x the price, then I couldn’t do that.

This brought back memories for me. As a very young father still starting out in a professional career this was one of the few bright spots of my life back then. Being able to see my son's excitement to go to the store with me every Saturday to choose his new wheels really was a small part in keeping me going.

Very happy to see this "tradition" continuing 20 years later.

Re:Why Hot Wheels are one of the most inflation-proof toys i... by bombcar on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:02AM (#34027407)
The 90s was a really low point. Somewhere in the 2000s manufacturing or materials got cheap enough and the small toy cars started getting better again. The ones my kids throw at each other are pretty durable again it seems.