I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, and would do the same for what they needed a power wall for and the F150 also happened to be a truck.

It's like the situations where the cost of adding a shed to your property is so high (permits, etc) that it's cheaper to buy a box truck and park it in your driveway forever. It's a shed, that has wheels and can move!

> I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same,

A pair of Power Walls costs about $25K. Surely a Lightning is more than that?

A powerwall is only 13.5 kW-h. Less capacity than my Chevy Volt.

A F150 is minimum 98kW-h.

Powerwall gets a 30% federal tax credit (plus possible locks, state, or utility rebates). Vehicles receive a lesser EV subsidy ($7500 or roughly 15% assuming $50k purchase price).

I mean, sure? I'll take your word for it, I'm not in the United States so this is of no relevance to me.

I appreciate the replies. Still wondering why this could be -- what is it about the truck battery that makes it cheaper? Or are powerwalls simply over-priced?

Powerwalls aren't a business' core product, so they're priced at "how much to make it worth our time".

Powerwall should still benefit from the economies of scale being put into Tesla cars and their battery plants. It’s a fair question why a truck would still be competitive.

but again, they don't actually want to sell powerwalls, they want to sell cars, they're just willing to sell powerwalls.

There are a bunch of companies selling powerall type stuff as their core product. Ecoflow, Bluetti, etc.

Powerwalls are both a niche and premium product, provided by basically one company, EVs are neither.

There are probably more companies making powerwall type products than there are car companies. For example, emergency power generation companies like Generac have them, there's an ecosystem of companies competing with Jackery that are attacking it from the bottom (ecoflow, bluetti, etc), a lot of solar and solar-adjacent companies have one (enphase, myenergi, etc).

I doubt what you said is true but irrespective, number of companies != size of market, and the companies you mention serve different markets/functions, so a consumer product company also != an EV company. It is relatively easy to design/build/sell a functional powerwall or generator equivalent, but one person cannot get into the market with an EV.

Your last statement is the reason why mine is true. I'm not trying to imply that the average powerwall company is comparable to an EV company.

Then isn’t it also the reason why your statement isn’t relevant to the point I was making?

Your original statement was "Powerwalls are both a niche and premium product, provided by basically one company, "

Tesla has a very small fraction of this market. Most of the market is outside the US, and Tesla basically only operates in the US for power walls.

Just throw main breaker off and wait out the power outtage. When it comes back on, disconnect the truck, flip main back on, and then drive your battery to help you get a latte from starbucks.

Energy utilities dislike this due to the potential for homeowners to electrocute their workers.

You must install Ford's "home integration system" that costs $4k to use the truck as home power backup. It's a transfer switch, small battery to power it, etc.

Regulatory credits are a huge subsidy for EV cars.

Powerwalls are $11k before installation and have 13.5 kWh capacity.

Lighting truck is let's call it $90k with 131 kWh capacity.

By pure capacity/$ perspective, the truck is the better deal -- plus, if you look at it that way, you get a free truck.