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Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bb88 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:50PM (#34004694)
Since the Musk takeover, conspiracy theorists on $8Chan have talked about Grant Wahl dying suddenly because of the "clot shot".

Then we find out he died of a ruptured aortic aneurysm.

Then people still refuse to believe it because it doesn't fit their narrative they're pushing. And anyone who dies suddenly must have died because of the vaccine.

https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1603103342481342465

This killed John Ritter, George C. Scott, Lucille Ball and Albert Einstein. But somehow the vaccine is to blame for anyone who dies of it now...

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by kennend3 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:37PM (#34005361)
There is also the "Canadian doctors" story the anti-vax group continue to flog yet it has being proven wrong over and over again.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/11/07/why-wont-a-de...

One of the doctors drowned in a river attempting to save his kids, yet the anti-vax group elect to leverage his tragedy for their narrative.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by vfclists on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:58PM (#34005659)
> One of the doctors drowned in a river attempting to save his kids, yet the anti-vax group elect to leverage his tragedy for their narrative.

One out of how many?

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by kennend3 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:28PM (#34006020)
The number of doctors who "died" after getting their fourth dose is a moving target, but the article i posted did a bit of a breakdown:

" The cluster of deaths back in the summer helped kindle what is now a fire — a conspiracy theory that today peddles a list of dozens of doctors online, including the three who died in July, as well as — according to its own descriptions — several who drowned, one who was in the middle of biking 105 kilometres and a doctor who died coming down K2, a mountain deadlier than Everest. "

It started out as "three" doctors, now it is "dozens".

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by LarryMullins on Thursday December 15, 2022 @11:35PM (#34010278)
Conflating "died from the vaccine" with "died with the vaccine". Quite ironic!
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by westmeal on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:28PM (#34005246)
People will believe whatever they want to believe, just let them stew.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bb88 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:48PM (#34005523)
This works until it leads to politicians asking for grand juries to investigate anyone associated with the vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/13/ron-desantis...

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by phtrivier on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:49PM (#34006272)
Unfortunately, some of them don't stew in silence - and consider anyone who got vaccinated with exactly the same contempt as you do.

Which is all fun and games until you have to, you know, _live_ with them in the real world because they're your family and / or loved ones ?

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by OrvalWintermute on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:05PM (#34006475)
Are you saying that aneuryms are not a potential adverse event associated with MRNA Covid vaccination [1]?

Furthermore, we know hypertension is also associated with dissections, and there are several documented cases of acute and non-acute hypertension after MRNA covid vaccination [2]

I'm saying that to say there are some possibilities there, but I am also going to say the opposite too.

I don't know that we know enough about the adverse events associated with these vaccinations, and whether or not a vaccine is implicated, or if there was a previous medical condition.

Retrospectively speaking, I don't know that an autopsy would give us any novel answers either, because of the gaps we have around passive medical surveillance vs active medical surveillance.

I am sorry that Mr. Wahl died at such a relatively young age

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35646499/

[2] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epub/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA...

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bb88 on Friday December 16, 2022 @12:20AM (#34010723)
These are at least 4 known causes of aortic aneurysms.

1) Smoking (behavioral)

2) High blood pressure (dietary or genetic)

3) High cholesterol (dietary of genetic)

4) Marfan's syndrome (genetic)

Last I checked, doctors (who know these things) were seriously considering it was #4.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by OrvalWintermute on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:56AM (#34015181)
Actually, this list is insufficient according to the NIH [1] an article in Circulation [2] and my wife, a boarded surgeon. Where she provided data I have italicized it, all others are from NIH and the other source. Interestingly, Diabetes can also have a protective effective against aneuryms [3]. There is also evidence that viral infection can likewise play a contributing role to local inflammation in aorta, similar to the better-known effects of bacterial infections ...CMV infection can stimulate local inflammation in the aorta but is not a direct cause of most abdominal aortic aneurysms. [4]

Genetic/History

    Ehlers–Danlos syndrome

    Loeys–Dietz syndrome

    Marfan syndrome

    Turner syndrome

    Familial thoracic aortic aneurysms

    Bicuspid aortic valve (BAV), which is an abnormal aortic valve
Birth Defect

Diabetes, particularly uncontrolled diabetes

Lifestyle Habits

    Aneurysms of blood vessels in other parts of your body

    Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)

    Cardiovascular conditions, such as atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease, and peripheral artery disease

    Unhealthy blood cholesterol level

    High blood pressure, which is the leading risk factor for thoracic aortic aneurysms but also a risk factor for abdominal aortic aneurysm

    Bacterial infections, which are a risk factor for thoracic aortic aneurysms.

    Kidney conditions, such as renal failure, chronic kidney disease, and polycystic kidney disease

    Obesity

    Pheochromocytoma external link , a rare tumors of the adrenal gland that can lead to high blood pressure

    Vasculitis
[1] https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/aortic-aneurysm/causes

[2] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.110.0...

[3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6198737/

[4] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26901