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Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:08AM (#33982939)
For $15 USD, it’s a no brainer purchase.

It turns out that Amazon is subsidizing these things and is on track to lose $10 billion on them this year alone.

The price of everything on Amazon is higher because of these cheap toys.

no point in waiting

No point in buying if they aren't sustainable.

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:58AM (#33986312)
>No point in buying if they aren't sustainable.

Why would consumers care if they are sustainable? If I get my value out of the product before it is bricked, I don't care if the company lost billions or even trillions of dollars?

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:18PM (#33986600)
Why would consumers care if they are sustainable?

Most don't --- it's typically out of sight, out of mind.

Most consumers don't care that credit cards consume 2.5% of the purchase price. But they ultimately pay for it.

Likewise with Amazon, their projected $10 billion loss on Alexa toys this year alone affects the price of everything else you buy from them.

If I get my value out of the product before it is bricked

And if you don't? It takes time, effort and money to fully incorporate Alexa into your home. The speaker is only the first part of the cost.

Personally, I'm reluctant to do this if I know the product is a marketplace loser on the verge of being axed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33757288

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:28PM (#33987642)
I'm not sure I agree that losses on Alexa translate to higher prices, opposed to just cutting into profits. Most profitable businesses set prices too optimize unit profit times sales. That is to say, they they won't increase prices if sales will go down as a result. They aren't running a non-profit
Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:11PM (#33989637)
They aren't running a non-profit.

Precisely the point.

$10 billion is a decent hit to the bottom line. If they choose to absorb it, it typically rolls down to the consumer somehow.

If not, I can see a dead simple way to add $10 billion to profit --- shut down Alexa.

Neither of these options inspires a lot of confidence in the future of the product.

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:41PM (#33990217)
The point I'm trying to make is that the cost don't typically roll down to to the consumer in the way that you describe specifically for the reason you call out. If Amazon is already doing everything I can to maximize profits and other sectors, they can't just make more money there to make up for a loss on Alexa. If there are leaving money on the table when it comes to e-commerce, they should raise prices whether or not Alexa is at a loss.

This is a separate question on whether you can get $15 a value out of a speaker before they cancel the program.

Uber might not have a long-term viable business model, but that won't stop me from taking a ride if I like the price. I'm a consumer not a investor.

If your point is that consumers might care about the long-term support for Alexa, then I agree that those consumers should be wary.

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by faeriechangling on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:03PM (#33994611)
You’re presuming too much competence on the part of Amazon. They’re not subsidizing those devices to fulfill a long term dastardly scheme where they make their money back and more.

They just screwed up lol and customers who took advantage won out.

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by jqpabc123 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:23AM (#33999120)
The question is --- are they still winners if the Alexa backend is suddenly shutdown?

These devices just collect audio data and send it to Amazon for processing. Without the backend service, they are useless.

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by melling on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:12AM (#33982984)
Why don’t you give that a little more thought.

They aren’t losing $10 billion on hardware on a $15 device.

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:20AM (#33983078)
The hardware obviously isn't the only cost.

The stats I've seen say they sold roughly 80 million of these this year. To be sustainable, this $15 device would have to cost in the neighborhood of $115 each.

If they can't sell them for at least a break even price, they are likely to do what Microsoft did and shut the whole thing down --- and leave you with a cheap brick.

Their initial plan and motivation was flawed. They were expecting consumers to use these things to just blindly order stuff from Amazon --- at a price most advantageous to Amazon of course.

Consumers may be pretty stupid but it turns out they aren't *that* stupid --- enough to blindly make purchases just for the thrill of doing it with their voice. Very few are using them for this.

Why don’t you give that a little more thought.

Is this enough thinking for you?

Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by Tagbert on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:36AM (#33984921)
While I agree that the Alexa devices would cost more if they were a normal product, $115 is too high. The Apple HomePod Mini sells for $99 and Apple is known to maintain a higher margin (average 35%) on their products than most other manufacturers. Assuming a similar cost for the Alexa (likely cheaper as the HomePod is a better speaker) and a lower margin puts the most likely retail price for an Alexa at around $70-75.
Re:Voice assistants failed because they serve their makers m... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:20AM (#33985706)
My $115 was a break even priced based on their units sold and reported losses in their Alexa unit for this year.

Adjustments can undoubtedly be made to bring this more inline with what the market will bear but it will almost certainly have to be much higher than $15 to break even.