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Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by Someone on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:50PM (#33977346)
Apple may argue you paid to get a locked-down device and I don’t think they ever claimed otherwise.

Also, if you buy an Xbox, Tesla, Fitbit watch, fridge, etc. you can’t load whatever you please, either. Why would all smartphones be different?

If you look at it historically, the PC is about the only device allowing that kind of user control.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by matheusmoreira on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:18PM (#33977699)
> Why would all smartphones be different?

Because corporations maintaining such control over what should have been our computers is fundamentally unjust. It turns us into serfs of their digital fiefdoms where they make the laws and collect the taxes and tariffs.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by KyeRussell on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:13PM (#33978216)
You aren’t even remotely engaging with the point that you’re replying to.
Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by alex7734 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:11AM (#33982440)
> you can’t load whatever you please, either.

Well you should be able to. If the customer is powerless to stop it we're going to see cars and fridges playing ads at full volume very soon.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by Aeolun on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:01PM (#33977481)
Smart phones are as close to general purpose computers as you can get.
Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by heavyset_go on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:12AM (#33980570)
It's time to open up consoles and cars, too.

Someone doing something bad doesn't excuse someone else for doing the same thing.

Historically, women couldn't vote, does that excuse countries that prevent women from voting from doing so, too?

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by jobs_throwaway on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:23PM (#33978311)
>If you look at it historically, the PC is about the only device allowing that kind of user control

Why should we give a shit about historical norms? For most of history most children died at childbirth. Does that mean we should accept a >50% infant mortality rate?

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by devmor on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:21PM (#33977727)
> Xbox, Tesla, Fitbit watch, fridge, etc. you can’t load whatever you please, either.

Are you new here? All of these things are examples of locked down ecosystems that most of us in favor of this change also want unlocked.

The idea that you can own a device and can't do whatever you want with it is asinine. If you can't do what you want, you don't own it.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by KyeRussell on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:15PM (#33978237)
Are you new here? Every discussion about closed ecosystems I see on this terrible website has people arguing for both sides. That’s why they’re…arguments…and not simply people patting each other on the back.
Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by devmor on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @10:19PM (#33979624)
If you have seen multiple discussions about closed ecosystems, then you should know it's not about Apple specifically and is about the principle of device ownership already.