Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by whatthesmack on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:55AM (#33956044)

Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by Felemiti on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:22AM (#33956469)

https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio...

This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live)

The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by collyw on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:27AM (#33956561)

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by Felemiti on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:12PM (#33960355)

"seems" based on what?

What research?

For you personal?

Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them.

But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind.

At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling.

The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by collyw on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:06AM (#33985479)

"Seems" based on the case numbers shown on world in data. Given that forcing masks onto the healthy population (regardless of symptoms or previous infection) is a new intervention it should be up to those mandating them to prove that they work rather than me to demonstrate otherwise.

Can you point me to anywhere on the graph that indicates that they improved the outcome? I believe that they were mandated in Bavaria in mid January 2021, and the rest of the country in April 2021. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by mharig on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:57PM (#33961689)

Here is your 'no-brainer':

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by Felemiti on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:41AM (#33965936)

How is this related to my comment of masks being a no brainer?

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Re:Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 ... by collyw on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:06AM (#33985496)

no brainer in that you would need no brain to assume they they "work" at this stage

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