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Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by herrherrmann on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:17AM (#33941574)
There’s an incredible amount of corruption among German politicians, especially among the “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP who are constantly being lobbied and bought by managers in the bigger industries (e.g. automobile and construction). That’s one of the reasons why Germany is so behind with environmental issues, technology/digitalization, and government transparency.
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by tannhaeuser on Sunday December 11, 2022 @05:42AM (#33942047)
> especially among “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP

OTOH, Gerhard Schröder, former head of fed government, and long-time member and chief of the social-democratic party, is/was sitting in the board of Rosneft and Nord Stream.

Ms Kaili, currently being accused of having taken bribes, is a member of Greece's Pasoc.

Olaf Scholz, as head of the city of Hamburg and proponent of the G20 2017 summit, is responsible for unheard of chaos and destruction during said event. Without any chance of re-election, he changed mid-term into the position of a federal minister and handed his former position to unknown und unelected Peter Tschentscher. Moreover, there's been a penal charge brought against Scholz due to his role in large-scale tax fraught in the CumEx/Warburg bank affair.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by croes on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:47AM (#33942397)
And that's still far less than CDU/CSU/FDP have done
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by someweirdperson on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:45AM (#33941723)
> technology/digitalization

This isn't held back by the bigger industries but by entrenched boundaries of responsibilities in the administration (defined in the regulations), data protection, and over-engineering.

Latest example: Warning the population. Instead of simply sending SMS to all active phones in an area, it has to be cell broadcast, which doesn't work on old phones. The reason seems to be (information in media is... limited) that sending SMS would not provide a way to send a cancel/warning-end message. That's only possible with cell broadcast. And that hasn't been used so far due to data protection concerns (there's a list of phones that have been warned, i.e. were in the affected area).

We cannot solve things the simple way.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by hef19898 on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:49AM (#33941742)
Oh, it aboslutely is held back by creative lobbying. Back in late 90s / early 2000s, Telekom (recently privatized telecom monopolist and owner of the landline network) lobbied hard against building up a fibre network by over selling wire based DSL using existing copper lines. Germany still pays for this.
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by foepys on Sunday December 11, 2022 @05:30AM (#33941989)
Cell Broadcast is part of GSM since 1995. It's the phone manufacturers' fault that it doesn't work properly. Other countries have been using it for years now.

SMS also gets ignored all the time since spam and fraud over it is rampant nowadays.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by someweirdperson on Sunday December 11, 2022 @08:05AM (#33942821)
> spam and fraud over it is rampant nowadays

My mobil phone number has existed since the beginning of time. It is listed in the public phone book. It was on my private web site for a long time. I've never not handed it over to any sign-up that needed a phone number.

I cannot remeber receiving any spam and/or fraud SMS, ever.

Maybe I'm just lucky, or the report of huge amounts of spam/fraud SMS is elsewhere, but not in Germany.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by trasz2 on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:40PM (#33946697)
The only reason SMS spam exists is that it's legal. Why is it so, if not for lobbying?
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by missurunha on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:15AM (#33942222)
Data protection sounds like a huge brainwashing that Germans have been submitted to. At my work we analyze driving data, but our internal portal cannot be made public (with public I mean accessible within the company's intranet) because there might be people and cars in the video and this would violate their data protection rights.

In the end everything need some extra layers of bureaucracy to comply with the laws or is simply not done. And the funny part is that many think this is how it works in other countries too.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by realityking on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:42AM (#33942371)
The reason cell broadcast hadn‘t been used in Germany was a desire not to “burden” the telco providers with the implementation. I’m sure they lobbied against it.

Germany went so far as to request a change in EU legislation that required cell broadcast to be used.

After the last warning test day was disastrous, it was decided to implement it after all.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by foepys on Sunday December 11, 2022 @10:02AM (#33943749)
This wasn't done because of a failed test. Only after over 100 people drowned in their homes in July 2021 because every single layer of the government failed to warn people about flooding they decided to do something.
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by someweirdperson on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:12PM (#33948672)
They decided not warn. Whether or not lives could have been saved had they attempted to warn we'll probably never know.
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by foepys on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:32AM (#33951243)
This is not correct. A major of a town activated the town's sirens but because the only state-wide protocol in place was for citizens to return home or stay inside and turn on radio or TV, this was counterproductive. Plus, public radio and TV only started reporting after dozens of people were already dead.

It was a complete failure on all fronts where the federal and state governments then tried to blame part-time mayors afterwards for not being experts in catastrophe management.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by oytis on Sunday December 11, 2022 @05:31AM (#33941996)
Well, to be fair, I liked the way it was done. It was loud and dragged attention immediately - I'm pretty sure if it was an SMS I wouldn't even notice for hours. The only drawback is that once you acknowledge the alarm, it's gone, there is no place to read it again.
Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by odiroot on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:38AM (#33942347)
> There’s an incredible amount of corruption among German politicians, especially among the “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP

You conveniently omitted SPD, who overall was involved in some of the biggest scandals in history of BRD. Including the current Chancellor.

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by hackandthink on Sunday December 11, 2022 @10:53AM (#33944209)
Sigmar Gabriel (Ex Foreign minister, SPD)

At the beginning of April 2022, it was announced that Gabriel would become Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Thyssenkrupp Steel Europe (Arms industry). (Wikipedia)

Re:The five-year engineering feat Germany pulled off in months by JanSt on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:41AM (#33941702)
Ah sure the CDU-Gazprom connection, who doesn‘t remember?

(the left is equally corrupt as the liberals/conservatives)