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Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by jjav on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:00AM (#33930611)
> Are cheques even used for anything except for fraud anymore?

Based on the cheques spelling I guess you're not in the US.

Checks are very common here, I write them every month. In theory I could pay my water bill by credit card but their payment portal is so randomly broken that I save a ton of headache by writing a check and dropping it off at their payment box. My office lease only takes checks. Various other rentals mainly only take checks or they charge a fee so I save money by giving them a check. Anything government-related is either a check or a big additional fee, so again I write them a check to avoid giving away extra money for no reason.

Checks are actually super convenient and more trustworthy than most alternatives. When paying, sending a check costs me a stamp which is far less than the credit card fees most places charge, or sometimes I can drop it off for free.

When receiving one, in most places it can be deposited by just taking a photo, doesn't get easier than that. Most importantly, I don't get to be another victim of the "$PAYMENT_PROCESSOR froze my account and stole my money", whether it be paypal or any of the other ones.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by lultimouomo on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:29AM (#33931000)
> When receiving one, in most places it can be deposited by just taking a photo, doesn't get easier than that. Most importantly, I don't get to be another victim of the "$PAYMENT_PROCESSOR froze my account and stole my money", whether it be paypal or any of the other ones.

If only there was a way for people to transfer money from their bank to someone else's bank... They could call it "bank transfer", and it would solve all these problems!

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by jjav on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:04PM (#33938443)
> They could call it "bank transfer", and it would solve all these problems!

Yes, it is ACH, which is what a check is. One doesn't need to physically have the piece of paper to make it happen (which is why you can deposit a check with just a photo). Either way it's just ACH.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by lozenge on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:28AM (#33931245)
I live in the UK and if a business or person wants to receive money, they just give out a bank account number (6 + 8 digits) and name. This number can't be used to withdraw cash, deposit cash or paper checks, or any other purpose. It doesn't get more convenient than that. Pretty much every other country works the same, except the US.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by thewebcount on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:37AM (#33930772)
I have a rental condo and have to send monthly payments to the property management company for things like HOA dues. The property management company doesn’t know how to send out a plain text email. Every email is a Word document followed by a jpeg of the Word document. There’s literally no text in the email so I can’t copy/paste things like the call-in number for the monthly meeting.

This same company strongly encourages us to use their “payment portal” to pay our HOA dues. They, of course, charge an extra few percent on every transaction. That’s annoying, but given their inability to properly operate email, I can’t imagine how insecure their payment processing is. Even if they’re using some third party system, they probably have it configured incorrectly. So yeah, it’s a check in the mail every month.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by TheHappyOddish on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:59PM (#33939240)
The concept of a Home Owners Association (I had to google it) is a pretty American one too, so it seems fitting to pay it via cheque.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by chrisbaker98 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:19AM (#33933832)
Is "direct debit" not a thing in the US?

All of my regular bills in the UK (mortgage, energy, water, internet, insurance, debt, probably some others I'm forgetting) are deducted automatically from my bank account every month. I don't have to think about it all - and there's zero possibility of nuking my credit score by accidentally missing a payment.

Having to remember to write a check for each bill every month sounds like an enormous (and enormously unnecessary) inconvenience. Is there really not a better option in the world's richest country in 2022?

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by brewdad on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:39PM (#33935999)
Because of the quirks of the US banking system, my personal philosophy is that no one gets to pull money from my accounts. I will push payments for my bills to the various providers.

My payments are still done electronically but I have to go into my bank's BillPay service and direct the amounts and payment dates for each bill. It's a bit more work but it also means far fewer surprises or errors to clean up. I already reconcile my accounts on a weekly basis, so it's only an extra minute or two to set up the payments for the coming week.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by jjav on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:19PM (#33938550)
> All of my regular bills in the UK (mortgage, energy, water, internet, insurance, debt, probably some others I'm forgetting) are deducted automatically from my bank account every month. I don't have to think about it all - and there's zero possibility of nuking my credit score by accidentally missing a payment.

Sometimes, vendors may support doing a recurring ACH transfer out of your account for the total of the month. In terms of mechanism, this is exactly the same as a check which is also just an ACH transfer out of your account. Not all vendors support this.

There is increased risk, however. By giving them blanket authorization to deduct whatever they want out of your bank account you now have the risk that they might get it wrong and deduct too much.

If you have enough money in the account to absorb the difference it'll eventually get sorted out. But what if you don't? Your balance may go to zero and all those other recurring payments get rejected and you'll get hit with tons of late payment fees and you'll be stuck with those. So you might nuke your credit score with all those late payments that weren't even your fault.

My absolute preferred approach is to do auto-pay to a credit card. That way I'm insulated from risk (at least in the US, credit card laws strongly favor the consumer; perhaps the only laws in the US that favor the consumer so well). Any mistakes in the system are not my problem and can't impact my balance.

But for vendors who can't bill to a credit card or charge too many fees to do so, the safest approach is still a check.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by nkohari on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:28AM (#33933921)
Direct debit is available (and is very common) but not all vendors support it. Anecdotally most younger people use automatic methods for recurring payments whenever possible, and write checks for one-off purchases, like paying repairpeople. Older folks write checks for everything because that's what they're used to.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by halfmatthalfcat on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:22AM (#33931979)
I'm not sure if it's an age thing but I live in the US and am mid-30s. I rarely, if ever, write checks. The only time I interact with checks is as a gift and I'm cashing it. Writing checks is a smell - if I can't use Zelle/Venmo/etc, it's an issue.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by jjav on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:03PM (#33938430)
> if I can't use Zelle/Venmo/etc, it's an issue.

But by doing that you're imposing the risk to the seller that they may lose their money when paypal/zelle/venmo/etc freeze their account and steal their money (see frequent recurring threads right here on HN of this happening over and over).

I realize as a payer it's not your problem but something to think about.