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Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by silisili on Saturday December 10, 2022 @01:34AM (#33930479)
Sorry that happened to her.

There's also some mental concept where people already got started or went so far, and subconsciously don't want to believe they've been had, so keep going. I'm sure there's a name for it, I can't be bothered to look up. It's why romance scams are so common, and also why that McDonald's manager undressed that employee, for example. Fascinating, but sad.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by rippercushions on Saturday December 10, 2022 @01:42AM (#33930519)
The McDonalds manager story in question: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1

Which would be completely unbelievable if there wasn't security footage of the whole thing!

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by noduerme on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:44AM (#33931551)
Insane and yet totally believable if you spend any time dealing with franchisees.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by CyberDildonics on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:19PM (#33936419)
What does that mean?
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:16AM (#33931438)
jfc, that manager should be criminally culpable.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by shkkmo on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:01AM (#33932247)
If by "criminally culpable" you mean "awarded over a million dollars", then that is exactly what happened.

> Summers also sued McDonald's and was awarded $1 million in punitive damages and $100,000 in compensatory damages.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by matheusmoreira on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:48PM (#33936636)
Meanwhile, her fiancée was arrested and imprisoned for years for doing pretty much the same thing she did. The suspect also walked free.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by sizzle on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:08PM (#33936807)
Wtf really, that’s nuts. Got a source I can read more about this?
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by matheusmoreira on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:12PM (#33936848)
The news article itself.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563

> Nix was sentenced in March, 2006 to five years in prison.

> He pleaded guilty to sexual abuse, sexual misconduct, and unlawful imprisonment.

> Donna Summers was fired after the incident.

> She was charged with unlawful imprisonment, and was sentenced to probation after entering an Alford plea — a type of guilty plea in which a person does not admit guilt, but acknowledges the evidence is sufficient for a conviction.

> She broke off her engagement to Nix after viewing the surveillance tapes.

> Summers also sued McDonald's and was awarded $1 million in punitive damages and $100,000 in compensatory damages.

> After two hours of deliberations, Stewart was found not guilty on all charges.

Justice is a funny thing, isn't it?

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:53PM (#33934817)
yes, awarded a million dollars for being fucking stupid.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by loa_in_ on Saturday December 10, 2022 @01:46PM (#33935449)
And apparently completely devoid of any idea of human decency, yes
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by cookie_monsta on Saturday December 10, 2022 @06:45PM (#33938293)
This seems a bit harsh. Nobody really says that about the participants in the Milgram experiment[1], but the psychologist in the ABC article says that this is probably why the caller targeted fast food restaurants

>"Everything is by the book," he explained. "This is how you serve it. This is exactly how you do it. You follow the book — you're OK. I believe he picked fast food restaurants because he knew, once you got them away from that book, once it was something outside the manual or the procedures, they would be lost."

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:22AM (#33941319)
The participants in the milgram experiment are absolutely judged that way, the difference is there was no actual harm done in the experiment.

This woman should be in jail, criminal negligence is a thing.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by notch656a on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:32AM (#33930753)
Meanwhile if an actual police officer directs a private citizen to perform this kind of search, it's not only apparently legal but approved by the medical and nursing board.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985...

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by mr-wendel on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:11AM (#33933245)
More on this case can be found at https://holdcbpaccountable.org/2016/08/09/cervantes-v-united....

The real life story is pretty sickening: an ~8 hour ordeal starting with the CDP saying "we think you have drugs" and forcibly sending an 18 year old girl to the hospital for an x-ray, in handcuffs, where she is instead invasively strip searched (with the CDP and hospital staff in audience). Nothing is found so they eventually let her go.

The court basically ruled that:

  - The CDP did its job "correctly". They just need to think you did something wrong to detain you and force you to accept medical interventions. 
  - This was the wrong way to sue: the plaintiff must seek state-law tort action against the doctor for malpractice.
Most disturbing to me is considering just is how many people were party to whole affair, and how easily a routine, but ill-fated encounter with authority can go so wrong.

I can only hope that additional legal remediation brought some kind of justice and relief. Maybe this is yet another example of how contorted US law practice can be.

I'm not holding my breath.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by matheusmoreira on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:22PM (#33936439)
I think it's because way too many people don't have firm boundaries. They don't recognize unacceptable behavior and so cannot put a stop to it before they are victimized.

Someone tried to scam me once by taking over the Instagram account of a hotel and baiting me with a discount. That by itself is not a problem, it could be a legit offer. Their intentions became obvious when I randomly got a message with a 2 factor code and they asked me for the number.

Criminals must necessarily violate social rules in order to carry out their crimes. A robber on the street must close the distance against the victim in order to get in attack range. In my case, the unacceptable behavior was asking me about information that was not only secret but also useless to anyone but me. Recognizing these violations of social norms and enforcing firm boundaries is necessary to defend against these people. People who don't understand what a 2 factor code is will not recognize that it is unacceptable behavior for another person to ask for one and will see no problem with revealing the secret.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by robgibbons on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:43AM (#33930796)
Sounds like the sunken cost fallacy
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by silisili on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:08AM (#33930899)
That's what came to my mind, but it's subtly different. Sunk cost is usually seemingly rational thinking about capital invested. Whereas this is rather irrational refusal to see a problem due to potential embarrassment, usually along with some type of investment.
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by ghaff on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:18AM (#33933828)
It's more along the lines of you develop tunnel vision. You just look at the next step ahead and you never backup and ask yourself whether the whole thing makes sense. You see it with all kinds of things including solving technical and other problems.

Once you've decided something is true, it's easy to dismiss all sorts of signals that maybe it isn't.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by trinsic2 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:09AM (#33933750)
Cognitive bias?
Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by puffoflogic on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:22PM (#33938972)
It could also explain the actios of some people who are "caught" going to the hotel room of 40 year old cops pretending to be 14 year olds online, but who only "reveal" their age at the last second.

But no one likes to think about this version of confirmation bias/the bias you were talking about, somehow.

Re:A fake job offer gone wrong by noduerme on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:28AM (#33931480)
Speaking of McDonald's, what you're describing is the same impulse that makes me accept and consume a hamburger after I've watched numerous employees violating health codes before they hand it to me. Like, this is a major company, and I don't have enough time to question all the details...