Re:An interesting Google Translate quirk
by tr4nslator on Tuesday October 21, 2008 @06:33PM
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It's a lesson in the difference between translation and localization.
In this case, Google's approach confuses the latter for the former, because its corpus contains parallel texts that have not only been translated (into a different language), but also localized (into a different locale). For example, it may be extrapolating incorrectly from a French document and an English document with the following phrases in the same location:
FR Cliquez ici pour la version anglaise.
EN Click here for the French version.
This sign is another good example of how parallel texts are not always translations:
Re:An interesting Google Translate quirk
by staunch on Tuesday October 21, 2008 @06:38PM
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In your Japanese airport example I think they're intentionally not the same phrase. "Welcome back" to the Japanese people and "Welcome to Japan" to the foreigners.
Re:An interesting Google Translate quirk
by jcl on Tuesday October 21, 2008 @05:53PM
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Nice. It looks like it's confusing the different meanings of "English": "a language originating in England" vs. "native tongue".
If you're translating something like "Give it to me in plain English", you'd want the second meaning. Likewise, "It's Greek to me" doesn't hold the quite same weight when translated literally into Greek.
Re:An interesting Google Translate quirk
by maw on Tuesday October 21, 2008 @06:19PM
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Could be. If you tell it to translate to Spanish, it says "Inglés" (which is incorrect, btw, since it shouldn't be capitalized) or "francés", depending on whether you leave the period. But, if you tell it to translate into German, it says "französisch" either way.
In this case, Google's approach confuses the latter for the former, because its corpus contains parallel texts that have not only been translated (into a different language), but also localized (into a different locale). For example, it may be extrapolating incorrectly from a French document and an English document with the following phrases in the same location:
This sign is another good example of how parallel texts are not always translations:http://flickr.com/photos/jadelin/2205088201/
(the Japanese "おかえりなさい" here means "Welcome home")
So:
"Nous parlons français ensemble." -> "We speak English together."
"Nous parlons français ensemble" -> "We all speak French"
"Nous parlons français." -> "We speak French."
"Nous parlons français" -> "We speak English"
Wir sprechen französisch zusammen
Jag kan inte prata svenska
turns into:
I can't speak English
If you're translating something like "Give it to me in plain English", you'd want the second meaning. Likewise, "It's Greek to me" doesn't hold the quite same weight when translated literally into Greek.
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