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Re:Internet Archive Scholar by veqq on Friday December 09, 2022 @06:51AM (#33920277)
Some days, nearly half the links I click are dead so I've found myself relying on the waybackmachine more and more over the past few months. It's really shocking just how fast digital obsolescence reared its ugly head. Of course angelcites etc. were a clear early blow, but nowadays...

I've started saving the html (including the css seems like too much overhead, and often it's incomplete or relies on downloads still - and screenshots are not searchable) of every interesting article I find online, downloading quite a few videos too with yt-dlp. I'd long copypasted all interesting comments into a txt file, but now it seems like data hoarding's the way to go - at least in moderation, focusing on things I'll actually refer back to.

I remember 15 years ago, discovering pdf dumps on random sites like a kid in a candy store. Perhaps it'll be like that again, with people presenting museums of their favorite old pages.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by graderjs on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:37AM (#33921058)
Some people use this tool (of mine) for saving web content from either bookmarks or just everything you browse: https://github.com/crisdosyago/Diskernet

There's also plent¥ of other similar tools:

- https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox

- https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by tetris11 on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:21AM (#33923042)
> Coming to a future release, soon!: The ability to publish your own search engine that you curated with the best resources based on your expert knowledge and experience.

This would be fantastic, being able to browse a curated internet made of accumulated lists from other trusted users on the net, similar to how ad blocking lists work today.

You are genuinely trying to steer the internet into what it used to be: a museum of knowledge and expert discussion.

Edit: Ah but wow, Polyform license. Huh.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by zote on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:08AM (#33921338)
How have I never seen your tool before.

>22120 archives content exactly as it is received and presented by a browser, and it also replays that content exactly as if the resource were being taken from online.

I've been looking for this for a really long time.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by arminiusreturns on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:31AM (#33923186)
Beware the very strange and bad license for Diskernet, which is "Polyform Strict License 1.0.0"
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by tetris11 on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:46AM (#33923396)
For people looking for more info on these strange licenses:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/coazye/what_does_rli...

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by graderjs on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:35AM (#33931272)
Thank you for raising concerns about the licensing of Diskernet. I understand that the Polyform Strict License 1.0.0 may be unfamiliar to some users, but I believe that it offers several benefits.

First, my licensing protects my rights as the creator of Diskernet. I want to ensure that my hard work is not used or modified without my permission, especially in commercial settings. I believe this is a fair and reasonable request.

Second, my licensing allows individuals to use Diskernet for free for personal use. This means that anyone can download and use the tool to improve their own browsing experience, without any cost or obligation.

Third, my licensing allows businesses and organizations to purchase a license and use Diskernet for their own purposes. This allows me to continue improving and supporting the tool, while also providing businesses with a valuable tool for archiving and organizing their online content.

I understand that the Polyform Strict License may not be the most common licensing approach, but I believe it offers a good balance between the interests of the open source community and my rights as the creator of Diskernet. I hope you will consider giving my tool a try, and I believe you'll find it to be a valuable addition to your online browsing experience.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by martyvis on Friday December 09, 2022 @01:48PM (#33925022)
That Polyform licence looks truly awful. Lack of mention of how I could use it while working.
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by detaro on Friday December 09, 2022 @01:50PM (#33925044)
> how I could use it while working.

The readme clearly links where to buy a license for that.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by leslielurker on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:15AM (#33921397)
I'd never heard of SingleFile before but it looks excellent. It would be great if Firefox could incorporate it into its save function too. Firefox save page works but as shown on the SingleFile demo video, it's not really what a user would expect, it's often not complete and splitting it across multiple files/directories isn't ideal either.
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by Springtime on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:12AM (#33922924)
It's unfortunate as Firefox used to have excellent MHTML support (which similarly achieves an all-in-one file) via addons, particularly the feature-rich UnMHT. While Chromium and its derivatives support MHTML saving natively (and in the past Opera Presto and IE).

If they brought back MHTML saving support it'd be a great win.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by randomguy12 on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:00AM (#33921283)
Zotero also saves snapshots of pages if you already cite academic pages
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by 082349872349872 on Friday December 09, 2022 @07:08AM (#33920382)
While the author(s) are still alive, they are often a productive contact.

(In one case I was able to give back: bundling up the several scans an author had of a half-century old paper from their student days into a single, hopefully cromulent, PDF)

Edit: recall also that accepting that links are one-way and might be dead was the key simplification that allowed HTTP to take off after prior attempts at hypermedia had failed.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by mrybczyn on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:27AM (#33920969)
Good (Edit) point! It's good that the web accepts dead links by design, we can't expect perfection from our distributed information, but it seems that the bitrot of information is too high compared to the information storage technologies available.

2 spinning rust drive can store the library of congress. ~ 2,000 drives would store the web (1). How many millions of these drives get manufactured per year? Our technology systems are failing us - all those words are being lost, like tears in rain.

(1)Back of the envelope estimation: https://www.worldwidewebsize.com/ ~ estimates 50 billion websites, with some estimates ~ 6 pages of information per website. Let's say 1mb per page on average. So ~2,000 drives would store the entire web.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by 8bitsrule on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:16AM (#33922974)
2000 drives x $100 = $200,000. Double that for backup, $400,000. Admin, maintenance, let's say total, $1M/year. So, Wikipedia could end its own deadlink problem (IF the reference sources would agree.

But stuff goes missing at Wayback because people don't agree to their pages being backed-up. Copyright, whatever. So it's like Global Heating, the tech is there, but people just can't agree. So 'pirate' backer-uppers go to jail. And island-nations and expensive ocean-side properties are being submerged. So it goes.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by toomuchtodo on Friday December 09, 2022 @12:57PM (#33924358)
The Internet Archive has a bot that updates dead Wikipedia references to point to archived content.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/InternetArchiveBot

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by brewdad on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:24AM (#33923103)
Even if that estimate is off by an order of magnitude, which given the weight of modern web pages it easily could be, 20,000 drives to store the entire web seems way more doable than I ever would have imagined.
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by msravi on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:14AM (#33920863)
I use the markdownload extension[1] on firefox and move the .md file into my notes folder (notable[2]). Works very well.

1. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/markdownload/

2. https://notable.app/

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by gwbas1c on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:41AM (#33921655)
I just save the pdf of a site that's really important to me.

When I did a major college project in 2003, I made sure to make pdfs of any academic article that I referenced. It actually saved me, because some articles disappeared by the time I went to revise my references.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by dspillett on Friday December 09, 2022 @07:03AM (#33920357)
> I've started saving

I do similar. I've had https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox bookmarked for a while as something to try better organise all that, but like a great many things I haven't go around to it yet.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by circustaco on Friday December 09, 2022 @07:24AM (#33920485)
I use Raindrop for this. It’s a pretty great bookmark manager made by an indie dev, but it also can create archives of bookmarked pages.

https://help.raindrop.io/backups#permanent-library

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by dspillett on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:48AM (#33922583)
“Only available in Pro plan”. No information on whether that is a general limitation or if these features are present if self-hosted, so I assume the former. And there seems to be little obvious information for self-hosting.

So probably not one for my use case.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by patrickdward on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:51AM (#33921767)
I use Raindrop but didn't know abou that feature. Thanks.
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by dspillett on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:34AM (#33922371)
Thanks, I'll add that to the list of things to try out.
Re:Internet Archive Scholar by RupertEisenhart on Friday December 09, 2022 @06:13PM (#33927731)
I wanted to say 'au contrer' to your 'screenshots are not searchable' and link this[0] but I don't actually see images in the readme.. I swear it was there, maybe it's a buried extra flag..

[0] https://github.com/phiresky/ripgrep-all

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by b1zguy on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:32AM (#33921559)
I've been wanting to run my own search engine sorta thingy that indexes websites I feed it. I sometimes find little nooks of the net that post resources I may need in the future. Like my own mini-Google that indexes a list of sites.

How can I go about creating this? Are their off-the-shelf solutions, will I need to say combine scrapy with elastic search? The links in this thread look promising.

Re:Internet Archive Scholar by leephillips on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:20AM (#33920910)
I find the SingleFile extension superb for this.