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Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by spuz on Thursday December 08, 2022 @03:52AM (#33905803)
My interpretation of the legal status is that the author is entitled to accept the €20k as payment for his time but that amount doesn't constitute payment for the copyright of the work. Mojang subsequently wanted to purchase that copyright and hence why they sent the contract for £1 to be signed. Julian believed the copyright was worth more and so rejected the offer.

All that is to say that if my interpretation is correct then Julian is legally entitled to do what he wants with the work including selling it to someone else or in this case release it under a creative commons license.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by contravariant on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:43AM (#33906127)
In the UK I think you're probably right, but it's not the clearest situation. You may argue that all of the communication up to the point where he agreed with their offer is part of the contract.

> However, in some circumstances, for example when copyright is not dealt with in the contract to commission the work, courts may be willing to find that there is an implied licence allowing the commissioner to use the work for the purpose for which it was commissioned. This does not necessarily result in a transfer of ownership. Instead, the commissioner of the work may only get a limited non-exclusive licence. This situation demonstrates the importance of establishing who owns copyright through a contract.

[1]: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ownership-of-copyright-works

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by paledot on Thursday December 08, 2022 @10:44AM (#33909075)
It's very likely that an attempt on his part to sue Microsoft would fail on the grounds that a tacit agreement was reached for the use of the work, based on his acceptance of payment. However, it doesn't sound like there was any agreement, tacit or otherwise, that the license should be exclusive. So he's still well within his rights to dedicate it to the public domain.
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by mcv on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:25AM (#33906007)
> Mojang subsequently wanted to purchase that copyright and hence why they sent the contract for £1 to be signed.

That is the move by Mojang that I didn't understand. They were about to be paid 2.5 billion. Why not offer 1 million for the signed contract? They could easily afford that, and with his financial troubles at the time, Julian would probably have signed it.

And he'd have missed out on his subsequent personal growth, and we wouldn't have gotten this beautiful story, and the universe wouldn't have gotten the End Poem, but Microsoft would, and the world would have been more normal, predictable, corporate. But he would have been able to eat and pay rent.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by Karellen on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:07AM (#33906258)
> Why not offer 1 million for the signed contract?

Because they believed (erroneously or not) that they already had paid for the thing the contract was about, and were offering a "peppercorn" payment for the signature itself to make the exchange complete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(law)

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by salawat on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:20AM (#33906330)
...and people wonder why I think contract law is as damn close to a poson pill as you can have in something brazenly referred to as a justice system.
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by djur on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:40AM (#33906463)
What's objectionable about this specific example of contract law? If the law didn't require contracts to have some consideration they would have offered $0. No real difference.
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by krisoft on Thursday December 08, 2022 @07:03AM (#33906961)
> he'd have missed out on his subsequent personal growth

Maybe. Maybe not. People say these kind of things, but it is often a retcon aimed to help them deal with some emotion.

Maybe he would have asked his agent to agree on a deal. The agent would have got him a tiny percentage and he would have spent the money to bring something wonderfull to the world. During which process he would have attained even more personal growth.

Totally made up story, but so is the hint that if he would have had a contract he would have missed out on personal growth.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by plastiquebeech on Thursday December 08, 2022 @09:37AM (#33908272)
Call it what you want. If you spend all your time whinging about misfortune, you'll never grow.

As Marcus Aurelius wrote sometime around 170CE:

>It’s unfortunate that this has happened. No. It’s fortunate that this has happened and I’ve remained unharmed by it—not shattered by the present or frightened of the future. ...

>So remember this principle when something threatens to cause you pain: the thing itself was no misfortune at all; to endure it and prevail is great good fortune.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by nluken on Thursday December 08, 2022 @10:48AM (#33909141)
So you shouldn't have empathy because it's a waste of time and emotion? That seems like a depressingly selfish outlook on life. I understand not trying to get up in arms about everything but to just ignore it...
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by plastiquebeech on Thursday December 08, 2022 @10:59AM (#33909319)
I think he was trying to express the importance of resilience. Things that happen, stay happened. So the best outcome for yourself following misfortune is to move ahead as best you can.

Personally, I don't think that stoicism is a good fit for modern times, because it conflates virtue with foregoing strong emotions, and leaving other people to their mistakes.

It does have its share of worthwhile lessons though, and if you dig a little deeper you'll find that it encourages guiding and explaining when people are wrong, rather than getting upset with them about perceived moral or practical failures.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by mcv on Thursday December 08, 2022 @02:38PM (#33912193)
Sounds very Nietzschean.
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by s3000 on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:21AM (#33906336)
There was something similar with the soundtrack of Doom Eternal [1]. They were also about to get paid billions by Microsoft and didn't pay the composer.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33532078

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by mcv on Thursday December 08, 2022 @07:12AM (#33907026)
That story sounds way worse. Mick Gordon seemed to understand the business side better than the people at Id he was talking to. That's more of a sad story of a guy being treated poorly by an incompetent/malicious company steamrolling over him, throwing him under the bus, refusing to listen to reason, and doubling down every step of the way with no justice in sight.

Julian's story is more a story of a misunderstood artist caring more about the art than the money, mistaking contract work for friendship, struggling with the consequences, hating himself for it, and finally coming to terms with it.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by moffkalast on Thursday December 08, 2022 @09:21AM (#33908126)
> mistaking contract work for friendship

That seems to happen quite often. People forget that it's impossible to be friends with someone who's employing you without some major conflicts of interest on both sides.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by moffkalast on Thursday December 08, 2022 @07:25AM (#33907121)
Wow. Just wow. I would say that's godawful but it would be a gross understatement.

Given the blatantly deliberate blocking to get the OST done and getting a moron to ghostwrite it makes me think id deliberately decided to ruin Mick's reputation so the fans would eat him alive and then they went for straight up libel to complete it. Marty Stratton, what a complete piece of shit.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by ballenf on Thursday December 08, 2022 @08:45AM (#33907820)
Strategically, you don't do that because that triggers the other side to realize that they should lawyer up.

Blowing it off with a token amount just says "this is a tiny formality, a dotting of an 'i'".

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by afterburner on Thursday December 08, 2022 @11:49AM (#33910070)
I mean on top of everything else, they were clearly annoyed with him and didn't think much of his contribution.
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by CUViper on Thursday December 08, 2022 @10:46AM (#33909102)
> Why not offer 1 million for the signed contract?

If I were offered that out of the blue, I'd be wondering what true value I'm holding to make that signature so important.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by richardwhiuk on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:00AM (#33905837)
At minimum, they are buying a non-exclusive license to copy the work. Beyond that is speculation.

(Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft on nothing related, and love Minecraft the game.)

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by hnbad on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:12AM (#33905914)
I'm German and used to do freelance work. This interpretation is what I've been told by a lawyer in a similar case: the money is for the license, not the copyright, and unless specified, the license is the minimum of what could reasonably be expected, i.e. a non-exclusive, non-transferrable, limited license for the scope of the product.

IANAL but I think Microsoft is in the clear here because they bought out Mojang but they couldn't for example use the ending (or derivative works of it) in a spin-off game because Mojang couldn't have done that either and they have no standing to go after anyone reproducing the poem as a whole or in part.

In fact, the poem now being CC0 grants Microsoft more rights than they had, except it's still non-exclusive, meaning the same rights are granted to everyone else too.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by mcv on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:27AM (#33906025)
MS can now use the End Poem in spin off products, or even adapt it and use variations or sequels of it in spin off products. Pretty good deal for them, I'd say.

Though to be perfectly honest, if I were them, and they needed something like that, I'd hire Julian to write it. Or maybe ask him to write it for free after giving him a massive donation.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by ryandrake on Thursday December 08, 2022 @11:00AM (#33909342)
It kind of reminds me of the story of Clare Torry, who did the vocals on Pink Floyd's The Great Gig In The Sky[1], and received the standard £30 flat fee for session work. Of course the song ended up being a critical piece of an album that went on to be one of the best selling albums in the history of music. Sometimes, we make a big contribution to something and don't end up with a big payoff. It's sad that business shrewdness and negotiating skills tend to have a higher ROI than actual subject matter talent.

Torry ended up suing and they settled out of court, so I guess that's a win.

Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by ghaff on Thursday December 08, 2022 @01:53PM (#33911586)
Well, and you're not reading about the countless people who contributed to something that never made any money. Or for that matter the countless people who work on Hollywood blockbusters for guild scale and a small credit at the end.
Re:I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and giv... by Cthulhu_ on Thursday December 08, 2022 @10:08AM (#33908607)
> Julian believed the copyright was worth more and so rejected the offer.

Julian didn't read the contract when he first got it, because he apparently didn't care.