> The latest builds of FSD beta prove that to be true.

Unless the latest builds of FSD beta work without requiring a driver, it doesn’t prove anything to be true. To be a self driving car, it has to actually work without anyone in the driver’s seat. That’s literally the definition.

It works a lot better than most people realize.

Obviously there is a person in this seat, but it would have done the same thing if there wasn't...

https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1599146605156130816

It has to be capable of doing it thousands of times to be considered safe enough to remove the driver. Just one drive without disengagement doesn't count. FSD is not repeatable currently, so it's not close L4 self driving. For reference, Waymo and Cruise have a disengagement every 30,000 miles. FSD requires orders of magnitude improvement in reliability to match that.

You originally said:

> He claimed just cameras were sufficient for self driving

And I showed a video where they are, clearly "sufficient".

Now you've moved the goal posts to:

> doing it thousands of times to be considered safe enough to remove the driver

Which is a completely different discussion.

It's coming.

No moving of goalposts. “Sufficient” means you need to demonstrate L4+ self driving with no driver. You’ve shown L2 driver assistance. By your definition, any car doing basic cruise control is self driving.

that isnt basic cruise control though. cruise control doesnt make unprotected left turns ....

dont hate the player, hate the game ra7