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Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by api on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:24AM (#33878588)
This brings to mind one of my rules about conservative panics:

If laws against witchcraft are removed and/or witchcraft is destigmatized and then all the sudden there appears to be an explosion of witches, the explanation is probably not that hordes of people are adopting witchcraft.

I'll leave it to the reader to guess the simplest and most likely explanation.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by conchrat on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:36AM (#33878695)
I understand your point but I think witchcraft might not be the best example. If witchcraft started going viral, I would absolutely be tempted to give it a shot lol. Would not surprise me if I was not in the minority there
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by alisonatwork on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:26AM (#33879287)
Sure. Adventurous or curious people might give something a try just for the hell of it. For some it will stick. For many it won't.

This is what I find so exhausting about those who try to drum up some kind of controversy around gender identity. Assuming it is all just a fad, who cares? Where's the issue when people decide to switch their gender on a whim? It's their lives. People do all kinds of things on a whim. Adults, teens and children too. Especially children, in fact. Sometimes people regret the things they did, sometimes they don't. Oh well, it's part of life.

I could understand being concerned about a social trend if it was causing violent behavior that negatively affected other people's lives, but this isn't that. Who is it hurting if someone decides to identify as another gender? Even if they pursue medical intervention, it's only going to affect them at worst. If anything the small government/pro-freedom position should be to defend the right of those people to live how they want.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by dahfizz on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @09:00AM (#33879828)
> Where's the issue when people decide to switch their gender on a whim?

The issue, at least for me, starts when we give children drugs and surgeries to enable them to switch genders.

There's nothing wrong with little Timmy wanting to play with Barbies. He doesn't need hormone injections because of it.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by maxbond on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @10:46AM (#33881913)
These same points are made & rebutted in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33880094
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by dmm on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @09:02AM (#33879851)
> Even if they pursue medical intervention, it's only going to affect them at worst.

People are worried about their kids. People are scared and the media amplifies the most extreme voices. Establishing scientifically the effectiveness of medical interventions is difficult in the best of circumstances and most psychology is non-reproducible, so it's hard to know what to believe is best.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by nmadden on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:39AM (#33878724)
An explosion of witches is usually down to too much eye of newt.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by wwilim on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:36AM (#33878700)
Captain Obvious here - the witches were already there, they were just closeted
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by moffkalast on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:37AM (#33878706)
Maybe the real witches were the friends we made along the way
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by rendall on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:44AM (#33878769)
> one of my rules about conservative panic...

Rule implies that it applies to past conservative moral panics. Is there a past moral panic in which lots of formerly suppressed identities suddenly expressed themselves once the moral panic was over?

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by pjc50 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:47AM (#33878798)
A lot of people came out after homosexuality was decriminalised.

Freedom of religion allowed a lot of people to express their religious identity which was formerly suppressed?

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by amarant on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:57AM (#33878915)
A bit of an obscure example, but: Capoeira was forbidden in Brazil for a very long time, mostly because of a moral panic(for brevity I'll leave the complexities of this situation out of this comment), then when it was legalised, and the stigma around it began to disappear, it quickly became very popular, both in Brazil and internationally!
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by cshimmin on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:16AM (#33879156)
This seems to be to opposite of the example GP was seeking. Unless you mean to say that a great many people (both in Brazil and internationally) were already practicing Capoeira before it was legalized...
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by bigbillheck on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:57AM (#33878916)
Left-handed people.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by trelane on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:07AM (#33879047)
Most sinister[1] example

[1] See notes on etymology etc. at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sinister

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by api on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:59AM (#33878942)
I bring this one up every time someone brings up Chesterton's Fence arguments about stuff like this.

Why was left handedness considered taboo and evil? Do we need to figure out a legitimate reason for this before we can remove the fence? Could there possibly be a legitimate reason for something that clearly absurd?

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by tpmoney on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:13AM (#33879112)
I mean the point of the argument is to try to find out if there is possibly a legitimate reason, not to assume there was and not explore removing the fence. Sometimes no there was no good reason. Sometimes there was but it’s no longer applicable.For example lots of religious dietary restrictions have reasonable health benefits, especially in a society before modern refrigeration and food safety standards. So while there was a legitimate reason, it’s not nearly as applicable anymore. Discouraging sexual freedom and promiscuity makes a lot more sense in a society without birth control and where every additional mouth to feed means someone isn’t making it through the winter. Less so in a modern society. And sometimes there are absolutely legitimate reasons that have just been lost to time (most commonly captured in the idea that most safety rules and regulations are written in blood)
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by cshimmin on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:21AM (#33879216)
No comment about Chesterton's Fence but I have heard (but never confirmed!) one reason for left-handed stigma is to do with hygiene. The idea is that before modern hygienic standards (e.g. sinks with soap in every bathroom/kitchen), the left hand was reserved for "dirty work" (we are also considering a time before toilet paper...). So for example when you reach out to shake someone's hand, it would be rude to use the left.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by denton-scratch on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:52AM (#33879700)
Your right hand is your sword hand; by offering to shake hands, you demonstrate that you are not about to run your counterparty through.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by rendall on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:23PM (#33884692)
This is apocryphal
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by brookst on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:17AM (#33879170)
There could be, but I think the presumption should be that it is normal social evolution to stigmatize minorities. Red-headed people, Jewish/Semitic people, people with cleft palates, on and on.

There seems to be a representation threshold below which any observable minority is considered undesirable. To the extent there is a “legitimate reason” it is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology for avoiding too much genetic variation in small tribes. I submit those fences are the opposite of Chesterton’s fence and can happily be ignored in today’s society.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by rendall on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:22PM (#33884682)
> evolutionary psychology for avoiding too much genetic variation in small tribes

Hmm. I suspect it's just "other tribes". We humans will make tribes out of literally any distinction, even athletic team preferences. It's kind of our thing.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by naasking on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:19AM (#33879204)
> Could there possibly be a legitimate reason for something that clearly absurd?

Yes: https://www.straightdope.com/21343459/in-the-third-world-do-...

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by leephillips on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:21AM (#33879217)
For me, the Chesterton’s Fence principle doesn’t insist that there’s a good reason for everything that needs to be discovered. It says, don’t remove the thing until you understand why it was put there. If you’re sure there’s no good reason, go ahead. But find out first.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by rowanG077 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:47AM (#33878797)
Why not? If something illegal/destigmatized which has some advantages becomes legal I would absolutely expect there to be an explosion of people who now start adopting that thing.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by adolph on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:04AM (#33879002)
The Satanic panic is a moral panic consisting of over 12,000 unsubstantiated cases of Satanic ritual abuse (SRA, sometimes known as ritual abuse, ritualistic abuse, organized abuse, or sadistic ritual abuse) starting in the United States in the 1980s, spreading throughout many parts of the world by the late 1990s, and persisting today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by mc32 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:07AM (#33879046)
Well, there were actual cases of it, but it was exaggerated in the media.

Just as the media makes it out like the next stop by a cop could end up in an execution if you’re not the same ethnicity as the cop. It’s still rather rare, or at least not happening at the rate the media portrays it.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by actionfromafar on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:30AM (#33879337)
Yeah, but the ethnicity of cops is blue.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by denton-scratch on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:53AM (#33879714)
Why can't blue men sing the whites?
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by adolph on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @11:37AM (#33882812)
Exaggeration of the actual happens for cause and effect alike. It is often hard to tell which side exaggeration favors until time passes.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by naasking on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:28AM (#33879307)
> the explanation is probably not that hordes of people are adopting witchcraft.

I don't know how you can a priori gauge this probability. If something illegal suddenly becomes legal but is still somewhat taboo, that obviously attracts experimentation, at least from rebellious youth.