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Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by dimgl on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:15AM (#33876192)
Lol. What a bunch of nothing. Contrasting this with ChatGPT makes crypto look like Fisher Price tech.

So boring and tired. Can’t wait until this industry just goes away.

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by chrisco255 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:27AM (#33876257)
Can you name one practical product built on top of ChatGPT? I don't even want to knock the tech, I think they're both fantastic, but blockchain has far more product-market fit than chatbots do. Not only that, but in a world of ever increasing and convincing AI deep fakes, a ledger with built-in cryptographic identity primitives will become increasingly useful for identifying, timestamping, and hashing authentic content in a plausibly neutral way.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by csb6 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:15AM (#33876485)
ChatGPT was released less than a week ago, so I would be very surprised if a practical product was already built on it.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by chrisco255 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:41AM (#33876605)
Fine, how about GPT3 or Stable Diffusion? Does the world really need deep fakes? Doesn't it cause more harm than good? The debate is really still out on that one, especially with regards to AI. I find AI amusing as well, I wouldn't want to knock it, but it would be very easy for me to craft cynical arguments against it. I might even enlist ChatGPT to help me make the case.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by bratbag on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @02:55AM (#33876963)
Stable diffusion has been used to create artwork for shoestring budget projects.

I've used it to generate prototype images before hiring an artist to get precisely what we want and a designer friend of mine uses it as a starting point for manual modification, drastically increasing his output.

Direct, practical, real tangible work enhancers that we could not do before.

Unlike crypto

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by charlieyu1 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:25AM (#33876244)
If you are focusing on the bad side of a tech, AI could do way worse than crypto. I mean, the most evil thing you can do with crypto is merely taking away money from people.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by jchw on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:50AM (#33876370)
You're thinking too small. If you really want to get cynical, you could think about the ruinous consequences if a Proof-of-Work-based currency were to rapidly overtake the current payment networks, in terms of the cost of electricity and environmental impact. Or more realistically, what happens today: facilitation of ransomware and the sale of illegal material.

You could argue that most of these theoretical consequences have nothing to do with the technologies themselves, but that's true of almost all software technology. Even a potentially devastating piece of malware is, in a vacuum, just some bytes floating in space, with no inherent meaning until someone chooses to execute it. Most discussions about morals in programming and computer science either ignore or gloss over this part as if it is already answered, but it probably matters.

There's some arbitrary dividing line where you decide when the blame lies with the operator(s) vs the technology itself. In practice, I think it's more useful to look at it in terms of who's executing the code instead of who's writing it, since in practice the existence of code that does something is basically an inevitability, in a world where you can only rely on impracticality for a limited amount of time and where it's basically impossible to hold a monopoly on some piece of knowledge or information forever. I think this also is rather helpful when you look at things like exploits: if someone makes a genuine mistake in their software, for which they expressly disclaimed any warranty, it would be weird for them to be culpable when it impacts an operator; but if someone were to be using said software to store user data, and that user data were leaked via an exploit in software, it's more reasonable to say the operator is responsible. Code itself doesn't usually have much intent encoded into it, so it's unreasonable to go in from a perspective that assumes that you can judge the morality of software itself.

But then, taking this to its logical extreme, it might be a little too absolutist; even if software is inevitable, that doesn't mean that culpability for intentionally destructive behavior is necessarily a bad idea.

Either way, from this viewpoint, I think you can easily argue that cryptocurrency and AI both have enormous potential to cause consequences in the world. It isn't necessarily that the technologies themselves are inherently bad, but from a practical standpoint it doesn't really matter.

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by cflynnus on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:57AM (#33876406)
> the ruinous consequences if a Proof-of-Work-based currency were to rapidly overtake the current payment networks, in terms of the cost of electricity and environmental impact.

https://endthefud.org/energy

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by jchw on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:11AM (#33876468)
I've read a few of those and it's extreme copium. For example, many of them point out that the Bitcoin network can use renewable energy. Yeah sure, except for one problem: So can everything else. If Bitcoin uses some amount of renewable energy, that's less renewable energy to go around. This basically only matters in places that are powered entirely by renewables...

The most ridiculous point I've seen by far is the idea that actually, energy is not "wasted", because it's actually generating heat. It is true that computers are 100% efficient space heaters, but that's not the point.

The point is that if you scale the Bitcoin network up, it would put tremendous strain on the energy grid. That's not FUD at all!

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by cflynnus on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:17AM (#33876495)
https://www.newsweek.com/bitcoin-mining-track-consume-worlds... "Bitcoin Mining on Track to Consume All of the World's Energy by 2020"

Yep we've heard this all before.

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by jchw on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:57AM (#33876675)
Haha. True: you definitely don't have to worry about Bitcoin consuming all of the world's energy, though it's not for reasons that make your case better...
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by Nursie on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:31AM (#33876558)
But that doesn't make it false Or 'FUD', it just means you've decided not to care.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by actionfromafar on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:10AM (#33877359)
Bitcoin vs. Gold mining

Bitcoin vs. Meth Cooking

Bitcoin vs. Yellow Cake Snorting

etc

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by DennisP on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @02:47AM (#33876929)
Regarding your second sentence: Fe runs on Ethereum, which uses proof-of-stake. Its total energy consumption is comparable to a hundred average American households.

https://decrypt.co/109848/ethereum-energy-carbon-footprint-d...

Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by jchw on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @11:59AM (#33883264)
I do agree that proof of stake is a genuine improvement on the cryptocurrency concept, but I think it's fair to hold off on calling the problem solved: Bitcoin and other popular networks are not really any closer to adopting it, and there still remains some skepticism about potential failure modes. Proof of work is a bruteforce solution, but it's quite proven and the failure modes are pretty straightforward. Proof of stake seems to work but it's a bit of an ouroboros.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by robcohen on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:22AM (#33876235)
Don’t hold your breath.
Re:Fe: next generation smart contract language for Ethereum by lamp987 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:42AM (#33877223)
youre gonna wait a loooong time then