Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by sjs on Friday December 23, 2011 @09:08AM
(#3385700)
I don't understand what the big deal is. If his systems aren't useful distros won't adopt them and no harm is done. If they are useful and distros adopt them then he has advanced the state of the entire Linux community.
This petition seems childish.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by adestefan on Friday December 23, 2011 @09:18AM
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He's a Red Hat employee so everything he does ends up in Fedora at some point.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by LeonidasXIV on Friday December 23, 2011 @10:16AM
(#3385908)
Don't use Fedora?
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by despite2 on Friday December 23, 2011 @11:56AM
(#3386238)
What's a better use of my time -- converting my 1000+ machines to another distro (which may turn out to be worse) or convincing Fedora not to make a stupid decision?
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by LeonidasXIV on Friday December 23, 2011 @11:10PM
(#3388152)
If you don't like this change, you probably also don't like the other Fedora changes that came in the past and surely also in the future, so yeah I'm with sjs. In the long time you will save time if you switch to a distribution that aligns with your choices.
Plus, you can do a dry-run with a limited number of machines and you can select a distribution which seldom changes (Gentoo switched to baselayout2 after.. years, Slackware still has tarballs as packages). Unlikely that they will push radical changes soon.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by sjs on Friday December 23, 2011 @12:48PM
(#3386450)
If you don't like Fedora switching away from it will be more productive then fighting it on every change for all eternity.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by RexRollman on Friday December 23, 2011 @09:14AM
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A non-plain text syslog? That sounds stupid to me. Plain text is one of the reasons I love Unix in the first place.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by sigzero on Friday December 23, 2011 @09:33AM
(#3385782)
Yup, incredible stupid. That means it will go into Fedora.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by LeonidasXIV on Friday December 23, 2011 @10:18AM
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So who of you actually read Lennarts blog postings about the rationale? Or do you just dismiss it because SYSV didn't do that, some fourty years ago?
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by nate_meurer on Friday December 23, 2011 @01:59PM
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I read it. The benefits are awfully dubious, and the downside is significant. It reinvents a wheel in the most literal sense. It claims to fix problems that are already addressed, or are easily addressable, in the current implementation and derivatives like rsyslog.
Lennart's not even planning on documenting the format.
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by RexRollman on Friday December 23, 2011 @01:37PM
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If I wanted non-plain text logging, I'd use Windows. And I like BSD (I have never liked the SYS-V init system).
Re:Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless li...
by LeonidasXIV on Friday December 23, 2011 @11:06PM
(#3388145)
So your argument is you want plaintext because you want plaintext?
I replaced the BSD-like init system in Arch, because it is buggy. And I can dual-boot init-systems now.
I would guess the last one was the impetus for this petition.