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Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by tourist2d on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:04AM (#33829442)
Maybe show some comparisons so we can judge rather than just assessing "facts"
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by t_von_doom on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:11AM (#33829513)
A fair point but unfair in that you are not also asking this of the OP. The status quo is that that a dedicated camera will be better than a smartphone (see other comments)
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by piva00 on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:10AM (#33829496)
I just felt it's such an outrageous claim that I really hadn't to show that cameras with much larger sensors and better optics would shoot better pictures than a smartphone.

For me it's the opposite, show how smartphones are better than the current crop of mirrorless APS-C as this is the extraordinary claim requiring evidence.

When I get some time I might shoot some comparison pictures, but if I don't: remember that I'm not here to serve your demands, I'm sorry.

Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by michaelt on Friday December 02, 2022 @08:47AM (#33830340)
> I just felt it's such an outrageous claim

I have used an iPhone SE and a mirrorless M4/3 camera to photograph a sheet of paper containing barcodes of varying sizes (including some with bars less than 1 pixel wide). I then checked which barcodes were readable in the resulting image.

The light levels were the same, both cameras were positioned and zoomed so the target took up the entire image, and both cameras were supported on a tripod.

I expected the M4/3 camera would blow the iPhone out of the water with its much larger lens, bigger sensor, and higher price. But no, the iPhone's image had marginally more readable barcodes.

Modern smartphone camera performance is just crazy, for the sensor size.

Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by FeistySkink on Friday December 02, 2022 @08:56AM (#33830430)
You didn't specify if the lens was up to the task in terms of sharpness on that MFT.
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by arnaudsm on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:17AM (#33829556)
Sure, here it is ! https://imgur.com/a/VyHLYqP

Protocol: handheld at 10 PM, 10 shots each, at different ISOs, picked the best one

The bottlenecks are different, but the sharpness is comparable.

  - The DSLR was limited by optics, it's blurrier with some chromatic aberration
  - The Phone has strong AI processing, I wish I disabled it
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by lm28469 on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:23AM (#33829620)
> The Phone has strong AI processing, I wish I disabled it

It's still over-sharpened and probably used multiple shots to get high dynamic range, it's much more noisy too, and shows less resolution

Also the d5500 is a lower tier camera from 2015, the phone was released in 2021

Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by arnaudsm on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:25AM (#33829635)
They have the same used price, which is the point of my comparison.

Yes there's HDR bracketing, but we only care about the result.

One is blurry (optics), the other has artifacts (AI), but overall sharpness is similar.

Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by Markoff on Friday December 02, 2022 @08:33AM (#33830203)
TBH both photos look horrible compared to smartphones nowadays or is this just 100% crop? I'd like to see whole photo.
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by arnaudsm on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:44PM (#33838515)
Yes this is a 100% crop to highlight the sharpness is handheld low-light, the worst scenario there is
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by Jiejeing on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:22AM (#33830715)
Dynamic range is better on the phone, but otherwise the DSLR has sharper edges, less noise, nicer colors, and is less mushy (but that is possibly due to the "AI processing", so ditto about the "real" image). That said, noise reduction is usually more advanced on phones, and handheld with a kit lens at night with high-contrast zones is kind of the worst scenario for DSLRs (hopefully it was a stabilized kit lens at least).
Re:Smartphones wiped out 97% of the compact camera market by dmitriid on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:41AM (#33830997)
You can read the words "Hotel Platinum" on the phone photo. And it's blurred and "mushy" on D5500. And the phone had additional glare from an oncoming train, and it still pulled out things out of the dark.

Depends on what you need, of course, but for most people the photo from the phone is superior.