EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots

Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by user3939382 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:28AM (#33818504)

EFF's brand and marketing portrays a wholesome organization fighting for the people. That is sometimes the case, but notice the positions they take either benefit or don't affect telecoms, whose interests they surreptitiously exist to advocate. It took me many years to realize this. You may disagree with me which is fine, but keep this in mind over time as you observe their positions and see for yourself.

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:29AM (#33818544)

Why does that matter with regard to armed robots?

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by user3939382 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:31AM (#33818575)

Because this post is another example where they always make themselves out to be the good guys but they have an agenda like anyone else.

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by marcinzm on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:38AM (#33818687)

So what is your argument in this case? That no one is allowed to portray themselves as the good guy unless they're 100% perceived as good by everyone?

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:38AM (#33818694)

What is wrong with their argument?

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by johnhenry on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:43AM (#33818796)

Healthy skepticism is always good, but are there organizations that go out of their way to make themselves not look like "good guys"?

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by wan_ala on Thursday December 01, 2022 @01:41PM (#33820595)

Having opinions on dystopian armed robots != being a bad organisation. Also isn't being pro-privacy an agenda too? They have always opposed the US government.

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by melony on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:33AM (#33818618)

There is nothing honest nor good about the EFF. They are a neoliberal think tank backed by big tech while pretending to be grassroots privacy champions.

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine

https://www.wired.com/1996/02/digitel

And HN readers are happy to lap up their selective submarine propaganda without fact checking or a single shred of critical thinking.

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by wanderingstan on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:49AM (#33818894)

> There is nothing honest nor good about the EFF.

I don’t know much about the EFF but have met several people working there who are certainly trying to do good. Your statement seems at odds with the HN values of thoughtful discussion.

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by Steltek on Thursday December 01, 2022 @02:44PM (#33821627)

Dredging up a 25 year old article as "proof"? Who's actually lacking the critical thinking here?

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by easygenes on Thursday December 01, 2022 @07:31PM (#33825166)

This statement to me seems to have no basis in reality and no supporting examples. The EFF is a non-profit whose interests often directly clash with that of telecoms, particularly when it comes to advocacy of online privacy vis-a-vis E2E encryption and general anti-tracking lobbying and awareness initiatives.

Their general stance against telecom-enabled broad government surveillance also indirectly harms telecom bottom lines. I could go on, really.

I am genuinely curious if you can provide clear counterexamples which appear motivated by alignment to telecom interests though.

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Re:EFF Takes a Stance: San Francisco Shouldn’t Arm Robots by user3939382 on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:19PM (#33833472)

Here's some more info on this

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/privacy-and-data-security/face...

They've accepted millions of dollars in donations from organizations and their executives' foundations that they're ostensibly a watchdog for. Their being okay with the conflict of interest is reason enough for me not to trust them.

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