> alcohol, caffeine and meat

one of these is definitely not like the others...

An all-meat diet I would bet is the best to conceive, because it's the best for hormonal health, judging by the countless anecdotes (e.g. women regaining their cycles after many years) I'm seeing.

Anyway, I just wanted to point that out, it's still shocking to me that people still believe that meat is detrimental to health.

Ahh, anecdotes about consuming meat, I can't think of anything more scientifically rigorous and less influenced by sentiment.

My own anecdotes tell me that eating meat vastly decreases your fertility rate. Some anecdotes add that it's because of the animal hormones you consume, others state that it's because meat-eating is associated with other health conditions which interfere with conception (obesity, high cholesterol, cancer), and yet other anecdotes don't assign a cause to the increased fertility from leaving out meat.

As anecdotes, these are all of course, incredibly scientific.

When the anecdotes all seem the go completely against the prevailing narrative ("meat is like smoking!") and there are huge numbers of them, that has got to pique your interest https://carnivore.diet/?s=cycle (try different search terms, YouTube is also a great source).

This thread is full of anecdotes so I'm just the messenger of some I know of. I don't care about science when our bodies are burning because of the terrible advice some of the "science" has been giving us.

- dietary cholesterol is good and cholesterol is not the problem, triglyceride/cholesterol ratio is

- hormones from meat... that's just not having a sense of scale, don't know how to put it, of course everything is going to have some tiny amount of hormones, even the vegans' beloved soy

I'm sure the good people at carnivore dot diet are completely unbiased and neutral agents in this debate.

You could probably also be sure that this isn't the only source.

Maybe it’d be better if you led with that instead?

I think it's a great resource, these are personal testimonials, real people (many of them have interviews on YouTube). I would think it wouldn't change your stance anyway.

> I don't care about science

Only slightly taken out of context, but telling I think.

Anecdotally (again), all the healthiest people I know get lots of exercise, eat a reasonable amount of carbs from wholemeal/wholegrain and vegetable sources, some fat and some protein. This is the "official" recommended diet by most authorities, and has a lot going for it, apart from being boringly conventional (so therefore unattractive to people who are excited by these threads).

The unhealthy people I know jump from diet to diet in an attempt to take a shortcut to fitness, singing the praises of the most recent one (...but if the last one was so great, why did you have to change it again?)

There are problems with the carnivore diet, including lack of fibre, micronutrients, red meat association with colorectal cancer, and so on. In addition it's bad for the environment and would be unsustainable if we all switched to it.

> Only slightly taken out of context, but telling I think.

I always wonder how do these people get to Hacker News? This is a somewhat sophisticated audience but nonetheless we always have these meat-obsessed comments on tangential topics.

Just counterbalancing people making the same outdated claims about meat being unhealthy. I've personally and know of many people who greatly improved their health by eating meat, so I'm sharing.

The thing is, no one asked, and it was completely off topic.

The gist of the post you originally replied to was that some people stopped doing things presumably unhealthy, and couldn't conceive. One of those things was eating meat. Then they started doing those things again, and, presumably due to reduced stress, their fertility improved (OP hints they suspect correlation, in this case, is from causation).

If anything, this almost suggests it was healthier for these people, in this situation, to eat meat. Same with resuming alcohol and caffeine. The added stress from avoiding those things may have been worse for them. No claim of meat being net unhealthy was made in that post.

But I'll make it now, since we're here and you haven't stopped. There are many studies showing excessive meat consumption has negative health effects.

I'm not saying it's always healthier for everyone to cut out meat entirely, just that the average diet includes a decidedly unhealthy amount of meat. There's nothing "outdated" about this claim, it's based on heaps of modern research. Your anecdotes don't mean anything, and are no doubt cherry-picked. I know lots of people who claim adding meat back to their diet (or adding more meat to their diet) has improved their well-being also. And if I had an axe to grind with the suggestion that I eat less meat, I might regurgitate those anecdotes too.

FWIW I also know plenty of people who feel healthier when they eat less meat, but again, I don't consider anecdotes useful in this conversation.

you're being terribly dishonest if you mean to suggest this has anything to do with the carnivore diet

Meat has been a staple of the human diet since recorded history. Its basically a science experiment spanning millenia with favorable results for meat-eating--no anecdotes necessary.

So has woodsmoke been - and we know that any amount of that is bad for us.

The fact that it has happened for a long time is not evidence that it is good or beneficial.

The type of meat matters, I would look into Neu5Gc.

Well, that or all the endocrine disruptors just made it take forever.

Probably just took them a long time and they happened to conceive after making those changes.

Certainly they tried many methods over time, and with a low% chance per attempt, they'll conceive after a bunch of 'interventions'.

Actually, 6 cycles is statistical average for conceiving.