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Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by cogman10 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @05:09AM (#33785681)
Pea protein is also a complete protein. I've honestly never heard of protein being a problem for vegans.

The bigger issue is vitamins, in particular B12. But that's easily fixed with a daily multivitamin.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by ianai on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @05:29AM (#33785822)
Knew I was leaving things out. Thanks for including peas!

I don’t want to know how anybody gets actual, non-supplemented B12 nowadays. Many foods add a B12 in the form of cyanocobalamin. We evolved in a world where bacteria left B12 on nearly every surface left out long enough. But nowadays we clean our food and it shouldn’t be present. People will say they get it from the organ meat of certain animals - because that’s where those animals collect the B12 in their environment.

Notably, I avoid cyanocobalamin like the plague. It releases small amounts of cyanide into your liver upon processing. It’s also not particularly bioavailable. There are better B12s and I wish food would leave me to choose it myself.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by marcus0x62 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @08:34AM (#33787339)
Peas are a complete protein, but in their natural form they suffer from poor digestability compared to animal proteins. (Split peas have a PDCAAS score of around 0.5 - 0.6. Pea protein isolates can get up to 0.9, or comparable to chicken.)
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by ianai on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @08:46AM (#33787468)
It’s not all about bioavailability. Fiber might not be digested by us but the microbes that do fill the role of an organ. Giving the body something to work on offers benefits like leveled out blood sugars. This pdcaas metric needs a high quality reference.
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by marcus0x62 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @12:51PM (#33790769)
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by pvaldes on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @04:35PM (#33793661)
Footnote: Peas (gen Pisum) are very close to gen Lathyrus. Eating wild peas from the gen Lathyrus in large amounts can lead to serious and permanent neurodegenerative consequences at long term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathyrism

Being very cautious before to include an unlimited amount of peas in your diet seems a wise move.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by cogman10 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @05:13PM (#33794120)
Just because 2 things are related does not mean they are equally dangerous. Potatoes, tomatos, eggplants, and most peppers are in the Solanaceae family, same as deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna), which is extremely poisonous. Yet potatoes are a staple crop.

The commonly consumed pea types (yellow, sweet, snap, snow) have no risk of causing Lathyrism. Only wild peas pose a risk and those are outright banned in most nations. (notable exception, india, where it is part of several common dishes).

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by pvaldes on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @05:48PM (#33794480)
You have been warned. Plants are unsafe to eat by default

The fact that wild peas are much more dangerous does not remove the danger from common sweet peas (of any kind or color, Is the same species). Is a matter of how much of it you eat, and if you allow enough days between meals to detox.

It depends also in "how" you eat it. If you mix it with cereals or not (hint, you should) and even in "where" you cook it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15679560/

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by cogman10 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @06:15PM (#33794745)
> You have been warned.

You are spreading FUD.

The link you've provided is yet another study on wild peas (grass pea is a wild pea, Lathyrus sativus, just a different name).

Show me the study that links sweet pea, Lathyrus odoratus, consumption with Neurolathyrism.

The only danger to eating sweet peas is when you eat them in combination with eating wild peas. [1]

The pea types I listed do not cause lathyrism without being mixed with Lathyrus sativus.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteolathyrism

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by pvaldes on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:49AM (#33798776)
Maybe a lost in translation case

By common pea or sweet pea, I mean the green common edible one. Pisum sativum = Lathyrus sativus a species that is known to cause the disease currently if eaten in big amounts. Is Lathyrism is happening still today. In a few parts of the planet, India basically. And is a serious irreversible condition, not much unlike paraplegic. Maybe it has a different name in English. Dunno.

Lathyrus odoratus, is the Fragrant sweet pea, a small species with huge flowers that smell really well. It has tiny peas that are not really edible -in big amounts- (all are "edible" in very small quantities) and of course, as most Lathyrus it causes lathyrism. is just that is a different case of Lathyrism, affecting bones instead nerves if I remember correctly.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by cogman10 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:31AM (#33799771)
Pisum sativum and Lathyrus sativus are NOT the same plant. Pisum sativum’s Lathyrus name is “Lathyrus oleraceus”

Lathyrus sativus is also referred to as the “white pea”. Because it’s white.

I know sativus and sativum look the same but that doesn’t mean they are the same plant.

Here’s an article with photos of Lathyrus sativus. [1]

If I may inquire, are you from india? If so, then yes, you probably do have to be more aware of the peas you are eating. From the articles I can find it sounds like Lathyrus sativus is banned in india but still somewhat commonly sold. That’s not the case where I’m at in the US. You cannot accidentally get Lathyrus sativus here because nobody is selling it.

[1] https://india.mongabay.com/2019/05/toxic-debate-rages-on-ove...

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by pvaldes on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:46AM (#33801424)
Hmm, I could be wrong... Let me check it.

Yep. The International Plant Names lists 33 synonims for Pisum sativum L. and 16 for Lathyrus sativus L. and none of them coincide. Botanical names are changing all the time, and is not straightforward sometimes.

So you were right and I was wrong. I stand corrected. Thank you for getting me out of my mistake.