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Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by mrtksn on Sunday November 27, 2022 @06:42AM (#33762272)
So instead of demanding fixing housing so that people can afford living close to their workplace we should simply roll and keep driving long distances and that must be subsidised? How is that this is the stuff that the "computer elites" don't understand? How are workers the elites anyway? Just because they demand cleaner air?

The air in London is terrible despite being one green city. Wouldn't be better if Londoners kick out the actual elite who own all the housing and extract passive income from the working people? Many of the people that Londoners pay for the privilege of having a roof are corrupt people from all over the globe ripping of their citizens and buying properties in London.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by vladvasiliu on Sunday November 27, 2022 @06:54AM (#33762332)
> Wouldn't be better if Londoners kick out the actual elite who own all the housing and extract passive income from the working people? Many of the people that Londoners pay for the privilege of having a roof are corrupt people from all over the globe ripping of their citizens and buying properties in London.

Something tells me these people not only drive "compliant" (= new) cars, but on the odd chance they didn't, they probably wouldn't even notice the £12.5 tax.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by mrtksn on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:18AM (#33762469)
The idea is that the workaround against the housing problems should not be the usage of clunkers.

So if the people who cannot afford a new or the fees, can start looking for an actual fix of the problems. Or they can blame computer elites I guess but I hope not.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by vladvasiliu on Sunday November 27, 2022 @08:17AM (#33762753)
I agree.

However, in practice, the housing problems as well as alternatives to it, like public transport, are very much "political issues" in that they require politicians to do something.

Which is an issue because there's a clear imbalance in political power between "the poor" and "the rich". The former absolutely "demand" better housing and public transport, at least in my neck of the woods, but there's hardly any actual progress.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by mrtksn on Sunday November 27, 2022 @08:28AM (#33762800)
>there's a clear imbalance in political power between "the poor" and "the rich"

I don't buy that. The UK is a proper democracy and everyone has about the same political power - which is a single vote. Sure, the rich can influence how those choose to vote but its not an absolute power at all. Mislabelling IT workers as elites and demanding clunkers when you can't find a house with reasonable transport options are not unfixable.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by lzooz on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:26AM (#33762507)
How do you "fix housing"?
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by CalRobert on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:31AM (#33762525)
Build lots of homes near transit, jobs, schools, and amenities.