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Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by mc32 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @06:25PM (#33725842)
The P-word. No on wants to say the P-word and demand ZPG worldwide.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by insanitybit on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @06:36PM (#33725925)
How can population be the issue when a tiny subset of individuals and organizations account for virtually all of the environmental changes?
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by blooalien on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:34PM (#33726868)
Overpopulation isn't truly the actual problem. It's merely a symptom of that "tiny subset of individuals" having been allowed to monopolize and mismanage most of the resources and manpower of planet Earth unto themselves as their playthings. Sadly it's a symptom that seriously complicates the matter.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by mc32 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:20PM (#33727465)
Who manages their limited resources better, a prosperous Japan or a developing Vietnam?
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by Ancalagon on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @06:30PM (#33725878)
I say "don't have kids" half-heartedly because I actually want them. But I also understand that having them is perpetuating the system which got us here in the first place. You're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise, the way developing nations are coming up should be more than enough evidence of that. If it comes between living rich but destroying the environment, and living in poverty (or really even just less-rich) but keeping nature preserved, people will choose the former every single time.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by BLKNSLVR on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:11PM (#33726687)
If you want kids and don't eventually have them purely for this reason then you'll regret it doubly.

The more conscientious people who have kids should at least maintain the number of conscientious people in the world (so I believe anyway, potentially romantically incorrectly).

Religions maintain themselves purely through indoctrination prior to coherent thought, why not use that same hack for actual useful ends. (Hah! I'm such an optimist).

Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by sammalloy on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:16PM (#33727142)
Idiocracy hypothesis says otherwise. The least educated and intelligent have the most numbers of offspring.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by BLKNSLVR on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:51PM (#33727341)
In which case 'the conscientious minority' must continue to breed to at least slow the rate of the declining percentage.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by PlasmaOInterest on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:17AM (#33728008)
And, thankfully, geniuses randomly and repeatedly arise amongst them.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by nisegami on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:08AM (#33729981)
We can disincentivize it substantially by replacing tax benefits for having kids with tax burdens for having kids, promoting family planning and making contraceptives free and easily accessible as possible, making childbirth and childrearing as expensive as possible, etc.
Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by NateEag on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:56AM (#33728177)
> Religions maintain themselves purely through indoctrination prior to coherent thought, why not use that same hack for actual useful ends. (Hah! I'm such an optimist).

[Citation needed]

I've encountered several examples of people who were raised pure humanist/materialist and became one stripe or another of religious later in life, including

- Simone Weil (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil)

- my father, raised by an atheist and agnostic, was an aggressive atheist until his college years when he became a deist (he further converted to evangelical Christianity while in medical school).

- Bruce Greyson, raised a pure materialist but became vaguely spiritual and inclined towards dualism after decades of studying NDEs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Greyson)

It may not be common to start off atheist and become theistic, but it does happen.

Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by BLKNSLVR on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:09AM (#33729983)
My sister is a born again Christian, so it's not true for her either, but it's definitely true for her kids.

Imma keep working on em though ;)

Re:Earth might be experiencing 7th mass extinction, not 6th by midasuni on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:27AM (#33729328)
Global birth rate per persn has been dropping for decades. Absolute global birthdate has been pretty stable for 30 years.