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Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by angry_moose on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:38PM (#33709298)
Paraphrasing this week's TWiT:

Web 1.0 and 2.0 were created by engineers to solve problems. Web 3/3.0 was invented by finance bros to disguise their various scams as the next technology revolution.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by Renaud on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:03PM (#33709686)
>Web 3/3.0 was invented by finance bros

Web3, not Web 3.0, not the same thing at all, the latter is the next incarnation of Tim Berners-Lee's vision for the web and has nothing to do with finance and crypto bros.

It's important to make the distinction because 3.0 is actually important.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by itslennysfault on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:15PM (#33709901)
Honestly...... 3.0 is actually dead on arrival thanks to the proliferation of "Web3" the brand damage is done and "3.0" should find a new name ASAP.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by mkl95 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:20PM (#33709977)
Imo Web 3.0 is Webtransport / Webassembly / WebGPU. But Web 2.0+ may be a more fitting name.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by angry_moose on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:34PM (#33710198)
Wikipedia uses Semantic Web: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

They really don't even distinguish between Web3/3.0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web3

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by rhn_mk1 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:28PM (#33710102)
I was thinking that web 3 would be fitting for ActivityPub, WebTorrent, Namecoin and IPFS.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by smoldesu on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:31PM (#33710163)
No? ActivityPub is a protocol over HTTP - that's solidly last-gen. IPFS is caught between iterations but IMO is solidly Web2, and WebTorrent/Namecoin are abstractions over pre-existing technology. I think that's appropriate for a Web2.1 starter-pack, maybe.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by rhn_mk1 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:04PM (#33711495)
What's next-gen is the federation, as opposed to the centralization of the current-gen. HTTP has nothing to do with it, even the "semantic 3.0" didn't ditch it.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by smoldesu on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:13PM (#33711599)
That's not next-gen. Federation has existed since the 90s in the form of P2P trackers and other networking paradigms. HTTP has everything to do with it because Mastodon is built on a client-server model (not a peer-to-peer one) which is the textbook definition of a Web2 network.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by rhn_mk1 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:43AM (#33716655)
When web 2.0 entered the picture, it didn't bring in anything new either, but represented a different focus. I think my proposal makes sense as "3.0" because similarly, there's not much new except a new focus in it.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by linuxdude314 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:23PM (#33710037)
Not very many people make this distinction… As far as optics and media perception (which is unfortunately what matters for the cultural zeitgeist) most understand Web3 to be the next generation incarnation of the web.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by linuxdude314 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:34PM (#33710199)
That’s cynical at best. One of the goals of Web3 is to enable direct commerce without trusted intermediaries.

Anyone here like using PayPal? What if instead you had the equivalent of cash that you could use on the internet?

Web3 is attempting to create an economy decoupled from existing currencies (fiat). Unlike a country seigniorage determined ahead of time, and is publicly visible for all to see.

If the idea of creating an internet native economy with its own currency and financial tools is not intellectually stimulating to you, then look elsewhere instead of completely hating on the space.

Yes there are scams; no that is not why the tech was created.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:38PM (#33710250)
> One of the goals of Web3 is to enable direct commerce without trusted intermediaries

That's the sales pitch, but the implementations all require basically anonymous, unaccountable intermediaries that are trusted.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by linuxdude314 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:13PM (#33710811)
So let’s just stop trying all together then, since things haven’t worked out well so far.

That is in effect what your statement is implying.

I’ll preface this by stating: running financial experiments on retail investors is immoral and likely criminal.

That being said, how many failures did Goddard have before his first successful liquid rocket? A lot!

He was ridiculed in newspapers, touted as crazy, and seen as a failure by a broad community.

If you’re interested, pay a visit to NASA’s Goddard Space and Flight center (named after the father of modern rocketry).

Why should failures of the past (most of which were human folly or greed) inhibit us from innovating our way to the future?

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:28PM (#33711753)
> So let’s just stop trying all together then, since things haven’t worked out well so far.

Crypto isn’t actually trying; the intermediaries that need to be trusted are fundamental to the concept, despite the sales pitch.

If you want to direct commerce without trusted intermediaries, just do that, it’s called barter and it works in certain circumstances.

The “problem” crypto pretends to solve is that turning that in to monetary exchange that is, replacing at least one part of that direct exchange with a fungible token traded not for its own direct utility but instead optimized for use in exchange with third parties for other goods and services, makes it suddenly rely on trusting external actors and social systems, but that isn’t a solvable problem, it is unalterably inherent in the very concept of monetary exchange. All any system can do is obscure that, reducing the probability that the trust extended is warranted.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by m00dy on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:45PM (#33710355)
dude, HN is not the place to be a blockchain pro.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by lottin on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:39PM (#33711166)
Can you explain what you mean by direct commerce without intermediaries? Do you consider the retailer an intermediary? The shipping company?