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Re:Is Wine Fake? by CSSer on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:41PM (#33702000)
I had the privilege to get a behind the scenes tour of a winery once because a friend’s family were the owners. They had some pretty sophisticated lab equipment. You could drop in a sample and it could tell you all sorts of things about its chemical makeup (magic to me because I never took much Chemistry). I asked them what sample attribute had the highest correlation with sales and without even hesitating they told me it was sugar content. They said their best selling wine was also their sweetest. They even said it was a pretty strong correlation that held all the way down the line from sweet, citrusy varietals to tannin-rich, cottony varietals. I think I was even told they could sometimes observe the effect from year to year if one vintage crop happened to be a little more or less sweet than the last year.

Now, for the record, I take the same approach you and GP mentioned here. I happen to prefer pretty dry wines too, but I’ve gotta admit knowing this shook me a little.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by antognini on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:58PM (#33702136)
> I asked them what sample attribute had the highest correlation with sales and without even hesitating they told me it was sugar content.

This was the cause of a big scandal back in the 1980s when it was discovered that some Austrian winemakers were adding antifreeze to their wines. The wines are tested for their sugar content, but diethylene glycol has a sweet test and wouldn't be detected on standard chemical tests for sugar. Unscrupulous winemakers began adding the chemical to their wines to make them taste sweeter and boost sales.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by masklinn on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:22AM (#33702671)
So that’s why it happened. I’d heard about the event but not the reason so I always assumed it had been some sort of contamination, or related to wine preservation. But no it was straight up devs bypass?
Re:Is Wine Fake? by BiteCode_dev on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @05:19AM (#33704152)
Adding sugar to wine is considered a great offense, and is not only illegal in France, but a disagrace. Still, some winemaker wake up in the middle of the night to do it in secret because it's hard to get a sweet taste or more alcohol naturally. Therefor, the anti-freeze workaround is not surprising.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by skywal_l on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @06:02AM (#33704433)
> Adding sugar to wine is considered a great offense, and is not only illegal in France, but a disagrace.

That's not true. Adding sugar is even part of some AOP. It's used to regulate the amount alcohol in the finish product.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by BiteCode_dev on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @08:35AM (#33705577)
It was a simplification on my part. If you want to be precise, then chaptalisation (the process of regulating alcohol quantity using sugar) is illegal in south of France Vineyard, forbidden everywhwere when mixed with acidification processes, and allowed but under very strict conditions otherwise in "septentrionales" Vineyard (which I have no idea how to translate in english).
Re:Is Wine Fake? by masklinn on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @11:04AM (#33707205)
> and allowed but under very strict conditions otherwise in "septentrionales" vineyards (which I have no idea how to translate in English).

Northern / northerly?

Re:Is Wine Fake? by petre on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:34AM (#33702758)
Why would anyone waste their time drinking wine from Austria or Germany in the first place? It's only good for making brandy.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by soco on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @05:37AM (#33704256)
"Chateau Scam 2014: Italy’s Weird World of Wine Fraud" https://www.thedailybeast.com/chateau-scam-2014-italys-weird...
Re:Is Wine Fake? by plugin-baby on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @05:59AM (#33704407)
> a sweet test ... chemical tests

Assuming this isn’t just an autocorrect issue, is there a word for this phenomenon of writing an incorrect but similar word that’s also on your mind? It happens to me with annoying frequency.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by IggleSniggle on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @09:12AM (#33705947)
Should have coded your brain in Rust, then you wouldn't have these sort of unsafe concurrent memory-access problems
Re:Is Wine Fake? by greyhair on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:46AM (#33719724)
Dude, my brain is already rusty enough.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by themarlzy on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:48PM (#33736052)
Freudian slip or parapraxis?
Re:Is Wine Fake? by petre on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:39AM (#33702791)
Which directly reflects the quality of the wine drinking public. I like the French approach better: educate your customers' tastes. In Russia they also drink sweet wines because most people there view wine as a juice that one puts in their vodka. The rich substitute the wine with very expensive champagne.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by 331c8c71 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:03AM (#33703634)
> drink sweet wines because most people there view wine as a juice that one puts in their vodka.

I haven't seen anyone mixing wine and vodka there, it's just not a thing.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by vkazanov on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:58AM (#33704007)
Hm.

Russia and Balkans and the austro-hungarian region preferring sweeter wines is a centuries old culture and a wine making tradition. The same goes for Georgian wines.

Vodka with wine... is that even a joke?

Re:Is Wine Fake? by dontlaugh on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @05:47AM (#33704320)
Maybe they're referring to fortified wine, which is made in parts of Eastern Europe?
Re:Is Wine Fake? by vkazanov on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @07:54AM (#33705217)
The comment I replied to doesn't sound too informed.

Fortified wine culture sounds more like Portugal to me, even though they definitely make it almost everywhere.

EDIT: typo

Re:Is Wine Fake? by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @05:07PM (#33712228)
The Russian preference for sweet wine might be due to Stalin, actually:

> The production of Soviet champagne prioritized quantity over quality. Grape growers uprooted acres of indigenous vines from Moldova to Tajikistan and replaced them with durable, high-yield varieties that catered to Stalin’s sweet tooth.

> The result was Sovetskoye Shampanskoye, a cheap, syrup-sweet sparkling wine for the ordinary Soviet worker.

https://www.singaporewinevault.com/busting-the-myths-around-...