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Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by bilbo0s on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:07AM (#33693345)
This.

We need to learn that corporations care even less about the environment than they care about remote work. Invoking the environment to gain their support of remote work is just misunderstanding their priorities. The game is to make remote work attractive to them.

You think Elon Musk wants to hear your spiel about the environment? Or does he want you to get back into your office and work a 16 hour day?

If we want to get corporate america on the side of remote work, then we need to do it with dollars and cents. Not "indirect savings", not "improved morale", but concrete examples of how remote work is increasing their profit. (Even better, would be if it could increase their revenue as well. That would be a slam dunk.) We almost got there with the idea of lowering rent costs after the pandemic, but now it just seems that the idea of getting rid of office space in favor of remote work is getting a lot of push back. Maybe even backlash would be a better term.

Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by crypot on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:17AM (#33693474)
Even the environmentalists don't care about the environment. 45000 people went to cop27.
Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by baxtr on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:26AM (#33693590)
Which happened to be in a desert. They cooled the venue place down so that people were freezing inside. What a joke.
Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by mr_toad on Monday November 21, 2022 @07:23PM (#33700148)
I thought they arrested all the environmentalists and only let the politicians attend.
Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by osigurdson on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:43AM (#33693809)
>> Or does he want you to get back into your office and work a 16 hour day?

I'm OK with working 16 hour days on something that matters (obviously burn out needs to be kept in check - it can't be done forever). I realize that I might be "wired" differently than others as I care a bit less about work life balance and more about accomplishment (not proud of it). I see no reason why this can't be done at the beach house however. In fact, I'm convinced it would be better as commuting is a burnout accelerator.

Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by ako on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:21AM (#33694274)
Not sure how a 16 hour workday fits if you also need to sleep, shop, cook, clean, take care of the kids, keep in contact with your friends and family, and exercise.
Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by ljf on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:40AM (#33694549)
It doesn't - unless you need very little sleep.

I had a crunch delivery before we had kids, and it was hell. In the office by 9, leaving around 3 or even 4am. 'Luckily' the office paid for cabs and food and tried to make it as good as they good for us, but I didn't see friends, barely saw my wife and felt rotten at the weekends.

BUT, we delivered some amazing work, was well compensated, and otherwise rewarded by the company. Many of those who did the work are still there and still rate it as a place to be. It was a one off that we all swore off repeating, but I don't regret it or the work we delivered.

Re:Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environ... by renewedrebecca on Monday November 21, 2022 @09:26PM (#33700995)
Unless we’re talking about finding a cure for cancer, there isn’t anything that matters enough to work 16 hour days.